Anti trans debate

Here here.

Lets hope it is not the case that the 90s were as good as it ever got for women and girls.

Thank you for trying

I have quite a few lesbian friends. Who are often complaining that after a few golden years everything has gone to ratshit. Devastating.

This is what is so anti women about the trans debate. I am not anti trans, but I am pro women.

The amateur contact team sport I'd participated in for 30 years decided to allow self-IDing transwomen. I had to play against them, and they very obviously had all the advantages of a male player. I raised concerns about safety and fairness and was kicked out. At the time I was also coaching, helping to bring on the next generation of women. I have spoken to lots of other women in that sport who share my concerns but are too terrified to voice them. I no longer have anything to do with it.

Am I right in thinking that Beedleneedle posted and then left MN? Doesn’t feel as though, in that case, the question was asked in good faith?

I bet lots of postmasters/mistresses didn't expect to be in prison either....

You never know when you are going to be effected...

The mantra used to lesbians of You just haven't had the right dick yet is alive and well and now being shouted at to lesbians by men who identify as women.

Progress, eh.

Unfortunately there are a strata of girls with beards and mastectomy scars. The young men by and large will be able to detrans with little effort- but many of them will persist I think, as long as they are allowed.

I remember in the 90s a lot of older women with no eyebrows and no teeth. They’d overplucked for that fine high arch that was fashionable at some point, and been given the ‘gift’ of having all their teeth removed so they weren’t troubled by them in later life.

Agree the younger ones are rejecting this now. The trend is dying off the kids have seen through it identified the attention seeking angle and are giving it a steer.

Because the discussion can be seen by others looking for 'anti trans' messages.

How about, not able to send my anxious, self-harming daughter to therapy because under affirmation-only she would likely have her discomfort with her body concertized rather than helped to find a way to become comfortable in her skin? That was a pretty big one for me. Or the way her school did the same.

The fact that with two teen daughters, about a third of the girls - incidentally the ones whose mothers have had serious problems with men - have transitioned.

Or the 16 year old I know whose mother shipped her off to have a double mastectomy.

I could go on.

There's something reminiscent of Jeremy Vine's 'Err, can someone explain to me what's happening here?', about this post.

I sympathise, @SpicyMoth . You can't tell the truth, Jeez, you can't even piss in peace!

"I’m just surprised people are so passionate about the impact on our lives when I don’t experience it."

Just because you don't experience it doesn't mean other's don't experience it, it will depend heavily on your interests/circles/location/many other factors.

Trans Ideaology is rife within my artistic hobby for example, and I experienced mass attacks and smear campaigns just for expressing that only biological women have cervixes and that it was pointless to send out smear test invitation to trans women in Scotland - Massive waste of money and resources.
I am transphobic and a "TERF" for saying this.
I have been unable to continue with my hobby in the same way since and have to be exceedingly careful about anything and everything I say on the rare occasion somebody wants to work with me.

The only swimming pool near me is mixed sex only. I do not feel safe going on my own.

I could list off many many other instances I have experienced personally but I'd be here all day and I've already written a decently long paragraph imo.

I'd be interested to know at what point women's lived experiences and struggles with "TWAW" ideology become valid to you - seeing as trans peoples experiences are already seemingly valid by default?

I am horrified that young gay teens i know are being convinced online that if they trans across they will be the other sex. At what point is it kind to tell the truth - do we wait for irreversible damage

@Ramblingnamechanger it wasn’t until this issue came up with my trans identifying child (who now realises she is lesbian, not trans) that I realised how lesbophobic society is. Girls still get teased at school, boys/men still sexually objectify lesbians and joke about threesomes, etc. I am horrified that I hadn’t appreciated it until it impacted my teen and that I have blindly gone through the last 20 years thinking that we ‘were done will all that’ gay rights stuff having sorted section 28, naively believing that gays/lesbians were totally accepted in society (and family courts). Feel my generation fell asleep at the wheel.

How can you possibly think that lesbians are not affected by men pretending to be women and even lesbians? Through the 90s, women and lesbian groups were destroyed by these men. In the last twenty years we have been attacked in so many ways. Where were you then KG74 ?

They can sweep that bit under the rug though. It’s ok so long as we use the servants entrance and never speak in their presence unless spoken to directly.

They're still relying on us to hold the line, though, so be kind dick pandering doesn't reach its natural conclusion.

I’ve got a 14 year old. He and his friends are with generation alpha in the eye rolling. They think it’s pretty ridiculous that the school insists that they must pretend they believe that humans can change sex and that Maddie is now a boy called Ivor (or Vincent or whatever the name is now) because it has been decreed as such.

I tend not to get into any arguments about it

I bet you don't ! 😁

The caring is part of what makes those women unpalatable. The whole ‘eurgh, I’m not a feminist’ thing. Or, if they do identify as feminist, they are truly horrified at those horrible ‘trans-excluding/second waver/radical’ feminists.

They are nice, choice feminists, ‘allies’ who seek to check their ‘cis’ or ‘cis-get’ privilege. Not like those bad feminists.

I get zero homophobia and I can even marry my girlfriend if I want.

Well, of course, that could be because you're a man married to a woman. (Or a woman married to a man - far less likely, in my opinion).

I'm going to guess that it's not because you're a woman married to a woman, because Stonewall would view that unequivocal, no room for arguments, sexual orientation as, what was it again? Oh yeah, sexual racism.

lol.

I'm going to take a wild guess that you don't actually know any 11-year-old kids?

You can see their collective eye rolling from space.