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Labour Students attack on Rosie and Tonia has escalated

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fromorbit · 11/01/2024 14:22

Thirty Three Labour student societies are attacking Rosie and Tonia for being pro-women and accusing them and the Labour leadership of "Nazi Revisionism". Read this Labour list article for details and to see the student release. "Revisionism of Nazi atrocities has no place in Labour"

https://labourlist.org/2024/01/rosie-duffield-investigation-allegations-transphobia-antisemitism-university-labour-clubs/

This puts Starmer and the Labour leadership in a bind will they openly support Rosie and Tonia who are basically just saying standard Labour policy? Will they rebuke the societies concerned? How can you go into an election with your student section claiming that the Labour party hierarchy are bigots and are Nazi revisionists?

This could also impact the Welsh leadership election Cardiff, Swansea, Aberystwyth Labour student socs have all signed and they are claiming one of the leading Labour Welsh MPs is a a "transphobe" because she dislikes porn and for saying women's sport is important.

Get the biscuits in folks.

33 student Labour clubs slam party in row over Duffield and trans rights – LabourList | Latest UK Labour Party news, analysis and comment

Dozens of university Labour clubs have issued a statement condemning the party after Rosie Duffield said allegations of antisemitism and transphobia made against her had…

https://labourlist.org/2024/01/rosie-duffield-investigation-allegations-transphobia-antisemitism-university-labour-clubs

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PotteringPondering · 11/01/2024 15:47

Some have said this is just stroppy teenagers and hot-under-the-collar students being melodramatic, and their views doesn't reflect party policy.

Fair enough. But it gives a window into the views of young people in the Party.

And young people in the Party will be the future intake of researchers, councillors and MPs.

So their statements will affect my vote. I was starting to think Starmer is managing an 'only adult in the room' stance more grown up than the Green and Lib Dem histrionics around gender.

Thanks, Labour Students. You've disabused me of that.

donquixotedelamancha · 11/01/2024 15:40

WinterTrees · 11/01/2024 15:06

Liking posts that Eddie Izzard would have been safe under a Nazi Regime, is just ridiculous. Rosie is being called out for that.

Thanks for the background recap. Can you explain why it's ridiculous? Izzard is a white, non-Jewish, non-Roma, non-disabled heterosexual cross-dressing male, what are people claiming the Nazis would have targeted him for?

Mishy doesn't explain, he just asserts. Evidence is for bigots.

duc748 · 11/01/2024 15:18

Do we know for certain that this 'antisemitism investigation' was solely about liking glinner's tweet (which is absolutely ridiculous, of course) and and nothing else?

WickedSerious · 11/01/2024 15:07

'Nazi revisionism'.🙄

Silly little buggers.

WinterTrees · 11/01/2024 15:06

Liking posts that Eddie Izzard would have been safe under a Nazi Regime, is just ridiculous. Rosie is being called out for that.

Thanks for the background recap. Can you explain why it's ridiculous? Izzard is a white, non-Jewish, non-Roma, non-disabled heterosexual cross-dressing male, what are people claiming the Nazis would have targeted him for?

Rainbowshit · 11/01/2024 15:06

I would have thought that the Rachel Meade decision would have strengthened Rosie and Tonia's positions.

The kids can stamp their feet and wail all they like. They are going to have to accept at some point that just because they say something is transphobic doesn't mean it is when looked at objectively.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/01/2024 15:02

fedupandstuck · 11/01/2024 14:33

Their statement contains no substance, just a repeat of the incorrect interpretation and allegation based on that one "like" of a satirical tweet by Linehan, that has already been considered and rejected by the NEC. So, just a toys out of the pram moment from these student groups.

Indeed. But it is useful sunlight to see facts, reality and the expectation that women are a distinct sex class being dismissed like this. It will force Starmer into a place he really doesn't want to be. Either defending his laughable "don't talk about only women having a cervix" and his "1% of women with a penis" or having to admit that safety, safeguarding children and science, facts and reality must be respected in society.
I say let them have at it - see where their breaking down of the social contract leads them.

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 11/01/2024 14:59

Ah mishy always bringing the ageism - the acceptable discrimination amirite?

MishyJDI · 11/01/2024 14:43

No they are not objecting to them being Pro-Women. Lols. Far from it. They object to their anti-inclusive stances. And that folks, is what a democracy is about....

It's great to see the young folks come up and bring in the change that the older generations are pearl clutching over.

It is the natural cause of things. I think it's awesome.

Liking posts that Eddie Izzard would have been safe under a Nazi Regime, is just ridiculous. Rosie is being called out for that. If Stammer had backbone he may do something as well. But unlikely.

It's a beautiful thing to watch. Getting the popcorn out.

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fedupandstuck · 11/01/2024 14:33

Their statement contains no substance, just a repeat of the incorrect interpretation and allegation based on that one "like" of a satirical tweet by Linehan, that has already been considered and rejected by the NEC. So, just a toys out of the pram moment from these student groups.

Karensalright · 11/01/2024 14:30

Just a bunch of hot under the collar teenagers who (if they are not already) ought to be members of the SWP.

Of no real consequence.

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