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Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 12:35

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Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 18:35

I think the New European article has been taken down as the link on Twitter/x isn’t working. Reading the posts I think it may have misrepresented Professor Kathleen Stock.

viques · 12/02/2024 18:30

Brilliant news. But when the sweet fuck are employers going to cotton on to the fact that legal rights trump hurty feelingz. Do HR departments not read the news? Isn’t there an HR Times that keeps them up to date?

How many other women are going to be put through the stress and trauma of a hearing, plus all the other stuff leading up to a hearing.

Madcats · 12/02/2024 17:43

It is worth reading through this afternoon's TT's.

NC gave the judge that New European(?) article that was published today (the barrister one) and observed that there was little/no sign of remorse/apology from SWE, or their former counsel ( did anybody say "bundle"?) so significant damages would be in order to give them a wake up call and to effect change:

NC Extraordinary for WCC to not attend todaty to explain a witness statement. Really shocking is SWEs failure to call any evidence, total silence and no comms with the C. The only comms re the liability judgment is on SWEs website to acknowledge judgement [reads]

NC No change on website since 9th January and said nothing further since. Takes me to New European article from this am. They are wholly unimpressed by tribunals judgement and feel they are right in this case. Their intention is to minimise impact of judgement and will continue

NC to silence SWs on this issue. They shld have sent SWEs CE CC today to explain the orgs position, and I cld have asked him about freedom of SWs ability to express these views in public, and vigourously engage in public debate. I ask u to infer that SWE wld have been unwilling

........ (jumping some tweets)

NC....... Which is why exemp damages is so important. This case needs to be seismic for SWE. If its not the work of tribunal is only half done. Something needs to be done to make it seismic for SWE. Needs to get to CEO, risk

NC c'tee and relevant minister. exempl damages are the words that'll have that effect. [Reads RW's tweet].

nothingcomestonothing · 12/02/2024 17:31

I've done a small bit of extra planting. Remembering to change the tip to the website to £0 - if they hadn't behaved so badly to Allison Bailey, they'd have had quite a few carrots from me what with one crowdfunder and another. Oh well never mind.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 12/02/2024 17:26

Will do a bit of gardening later

RethinkingLife · 12/02/2024 17:24

Vebrithien · 12/02/2024 17:06

Have send a few seed, it's a beautiful spring day here.

Rachel has to pay her legal bill at the end of this hearing (tomorrow?)
She might need a few more carrots.

Added marigolds to your carrots as they're a charming companion planting.

Stonewall et al have formed an alternative government.

The still accurate Yes Minister exchange except that it's gone a little further.

[Hacker is about to ask for advice from his predecessor, a member of the Opposition party]

James Hacker : The Opposition aren't the opposition.
Annie Hacker : No of course not, silly of me. They're just called the opposition.
James Hacker : They're only the opposition in exile. The Civil Service is the opposition in residence.

SinnerBoy · 12/02/2024 17:14

They have almost certainly been told by their barristers that, having had their arse handed to them on a silver plate, soused in raspberry jus keeping schtumm is the best policy.

Vebrithien · 12/02/2024 17:06

Have send a few seed, it's a beautiful spring day here.

Rachel has to pay her legal bill at the end of this hearing (tomorrow?)
She might need a few more carrots.

Sisterpita · 12/02/2024 16:51

It appears that SWE have declined to put up a witness at the remedy hearing.

SinnerBoy · 12/02/2024 16:19

The tribunal commented:

Social worker’s views ‘could not be viewed as transphobic.

I find that to be highly significant. T'other can wail and pretend as much as they like that cling film, Smarties and deodorant are transphobic, but the legal profession disagrees and explained why and how.

Snowypeaks · 12/02/2024 14:37

Needmoresleep · 12/01/2024 12:24

What is extraordinary is that first Liz Truss and then Kemi have been very vocal about the importance of protecting women's rights, and their desire to see Stonewall influence reduced. Boris, after a couple of U turns confirmed his support, and Rishi has been clear about his belief in biological sex.

But people within the public sector don't seem to be listening. Some will be "Tories are evil bigots, so automatically wrong" but the extent to which clear Government signals are being ignored is extraordinary. This cannot be in the interest of either the current Government or the "Government in waiting".

There is an apparatus. There is a Chief Social Worker for Children and Families. I hope she has read Cass. She needs to start talking to the regulatory bodies and they need to clarify their guidance so it is in line with both the law and with Government policy.

Quite. It's as if Stonewall et al have formed an alternative government.

GailBlancheViola · 12/02/2024 14:18

it rejected the claim that the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts post had the effect of equating transgenderism with paedophilia. It concluded this constituted “a reasonable satire” and addressed a “legitimate safeguarding concern that some transwomen, retaining male bodies, could exploit their position to have access to young and vulnerable girls”.

Wow.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/01/2024 00:24

I came across this (my cookies must all be Tunnocks 😁)

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/01/17/why-social-worker-won-harassment-claims-against-council-and-regulator-relating-to-gender-critical-beliefs/

I didn't know the Tribunal had said this

it rejected the claim that the Girl Guides/Boy Scouts post had the effect of equating transgenderism with paedophilia. It concluded this constituted “a reasonable satire” and addressed a “legitimate safeguarding concern that some transwomen, retaining male bodies, could exploit their position to have access to young and vulnerable girls”.

Book with title employment tribunal on a table.

Why social worker won harassment claims against council and regulator over gender critical beliefs

By Tim Spencer-Lane In Rachel Meade v Westminster City Council and Social Work England (2200179/2022 and 2211483/2022) , a social worker won multiple claims for harassment, on account of beliefs protected in law, against her employer and the regulator....

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2024/01/17/why-social-worker-won-harassment-claims-against-council-and-regulator-relating-to-gender-critical-beliefs

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2024 08:53

You are entitled to not be bullied or harassed for your beliefs and lifestyle if it is appropriate and within the boundaries of the situation you are in. Non participation and other beliefs to yours are not bullying or harassment. Failing to tolerate those with other beliefs and their boundaries and rights not to participate or enable you - and seeking to convert them, punish and coerce them into participation or get rid of them from your environment - is harassment.

Exactly.

Froodwithatowel · 15/01/2024 08:24

Views is starting to be an inaccurate term in some ways.

Sexed reality is framed as offensive as for example marching around an office loudly expressing a view that homosexuality is a sin.

In fact it is nearer religious tolerance. You cannot demand that everyone in your office prays with you, genuflects at your altar, and denounce them as sinners and try to get rid of them when they explain that no, they have other beliefs that they choose to live by. It is not 'offensive' to not believe what you do and live by those beliefs.

The issue is the demand to enable someone else's personal belief system and create it around them/reflect it back to them. Yes, that person may well perceive that as you rejecting the 'true authentic them' and other such stuff, but the distortion is there.

You are entitled to not be bullied or harassed for your beliefs and lifestyle if it is appropriate and within the boundaries of the situation you are in. Non participation and other beliefs to yours are not bullying or harassment. Failing to tolerate those with other beliefs and their boundaries and rights not to participate or enable you - and seeking to convert them, punish and coerce them into participation or get rid of them from your environment - is harassment.

pronounsbundlebundle · 14/01/2024 22:49

Yes, good article. This bit in particular bears repeating:

If you say you value diversity in your company, that means diversity of views too.

Well, we all know what 'diversity' really means these days - it means the exact opposite. Narrow minded group think and prioritisation of one group over all others. Everyone forced to chant 2+2=5 or face what happened to Rachel Meade if they don't.

ADoggyDogWorld · 14/01/2024 22:04

Cripes that is a terrific article, thank you.

Abhannmor · 13/01/2024 18:54

Belated Congratulations 🎊! Rachel !

Sisterpita · 13/01/2024 09:14

@IcakethereforeIam thank you for the link.

This is the next big scandal, many of us can se it but others seem blind. There will be a public enquiry and people like Helen Farrell will try to use weasel words or blame others not realising the damage they have done.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 13/01/2024 08:37

Underscores nicely what I said about social work and SWE!

334bu · 13/01/2024 08:27

Thanks for link.