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Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 12:35

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RowanMayfair · 10/01/2024 09:19

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Fox botherer posted thirsty comments on Shon Faye's heavily filtered twitter pic but I did think that was more for TRA approval than genuine interest TBF

bellinisurge · 10/01/2024 09:15

I've often wondered what I'd do if my daughter went down the gender woo woo path- she's more in tbe eye roll kind of position on it but that could change.

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Saisong · 10/01/2024 09:04

Brilliant @Karensalright, I really enjoyed your poem!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/01/2024 08:48

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 10/01/2024 08:16

Very true @MrsOvertonsWindow

joanne Harris utterly appalling behaviour as chair of society of authors towards JKR and others suddenly makes a lot more ‘sense’ when you realise she has a trans child

Ditto Clara Vulliamy, who has a male adult child now identifying as a woman. She has spearheaded some quite vicious pile ons towards Rachel Rooney.

I don't think David Tennant has behaved appallingly to anyone as far as I know, but one of his children (still at school, IIRC) is nonbinary or gender questioning, or similar, and both he and his wife have swung into TWAW t-shirts and so on.

I have wondered whether the fox botherer might be in a similar position.

LoobiJee · 10/01/2024 08:33

Karensalright · 09/01/2024 23:43

Well the word prozelytise (Trying to change a religious, or other belief) was clearly stated as a no no in the ruling.

So an employer can not insist on any level of compliance with any type of value or activity that offends your right to be gender critical and bloody well say so.

So after a few weeks of digesting this, public sector employers are gonna have to change all their policies that compel you to agree with gender ideology.

you will be free( give it a bit) to say err no, not doing it.

“So an employer can not insist on any level of compliance with any type of value or activity that offends your right to be gender critical and bloody well say so.
^^
So after a few weeks of digesting this, public sector employers are gonna have to change all their policies that compel you to agree with gender ideology.”

I’d like to know if this is actually true, though. Rachel’s case related to a biased and poorly managed disciplinary process she was subjected to in relation to her private FB page. It wasn’t about her behaviour in the workplace or her employer’s workplace policies. (Albeit the biased and poor process was no doubt the end result of Stonewall’s no debate campaigning on the attitudes of senior staff.)

It’s not clear to me what relevance the judgment has for organisations’ HR policies on eg access to opposite sex spaces, use of pronouns, Dignity at Work policies and discussions in online meetings etc. Clearly any restriction on freedom of expression arising from Dignity at Work or professional conduct policies needs to apply equally to both sides. I can see the implications of this policy for the handling of complaints but I’d like to see a lawyer’s analysis of the implications for HR policies more broadly.

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 10/01/2024 08:16

Very true @MrsOvertonsWindow

joanne Harris utterly appalling behaviour as chair of society of authors towards JKR and others suddenly makes a lot more ‘sense’ when you realise she has a trans child

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/01/2024 08:11

Boomboom22 · 09/01/2024 23:37

It would be good to get people like Penny Mordaunt and Yvette Cooper to come back from their twaw positions. These two are very powerful within their parties, but both have family members affected.

Helen Joyce speaks powerfully here about the impact that parents of children who think they're the opposite sex can have on society. In the work place, in social groups and of course, most dangerous of all, as politicians.

We know that following Stonewall law makes people sound like incoherent fools. But the parents of these children also have a silencing impact on those around them. If they're politicians, then this is incredibly serious and goes a long way to explain why so many of them have stood by and watched all the evidence of this monumental medical and social scandal unfolding. Either because they're complicit or embarrassed to raise concerns in front of those who are parents.
PM has one transactivist brother and one who's a sex offender with YC having a transactivist son? Are they capable of changing and finally standing up for safeguarding children and women's rights?

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Signalbox · 10/01/2024 08:04

RethinkingLife · 09/01/2024 22:17

We can't afford to do that.

Stonewall is not legally liable for its advice if I understand previous cases correctly.

It's on the organisations' own benighted heads if they choose to outsource their thinking to Stonewall but Stonewall is like Teflon.

As pleased as I am, this does nothing to extirpate all the staff in captured organisations who are quietly making the policies and changes that will stitch women up for decades.

Stonewall is not legally liable for its advice if I understand previous cases correctly.

Isn’t Alison Bailey appealing the Stonewall decision on her case so this could still change? Apart from her have there been any other cases that made a claim against Stonewall?

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 10/01/2024 07:56

Just checked the thread to see if our usual TRA visitors have come by to tell us off and how it’s definitely not a win - and tumbleweed! Well I’m shocked 😆

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 10/01/2024 07:53

Such good news! Made my day.

SoundTheSirens · 10/01/2024 07:51

<adds a Meade brick to the Forstater, Bailey, Fahmy et alia wall> 💪🏻

anyolddinosaur · 10/01/2024 06:46

On any thread that mentions a bit of gardening there is always an attempt to stop women financially supporting those fighting for womens rights. Sometimes they try to malign the person seeking help, once even falsely claiming to be them, sometimes (as with Rachel) they claim the case is weak. It didnt stop me donating to Rachel and it wont stop me donating to others. The Labour party no longer gets my cash at election time, I have a better use for it.

Please remember when you next see someone trying to undermine the gardening that it always happens - and doesnt mean that person wont win. I think remember Rachel may be my stock comment to future attempts!

Kucinghitam · 10/01/2024 05:25

IcakethereforeIam · 09/01/2024 21:50

Joan Smith's take on it in Unherd

https://unherd.com/thepost/victory-for-social-worker-harassed-over-gender-critical-beliefs/

I've just noticed Maya has dinosaurs 🦕 on her dress 😀 and the 'Victory House' plaque 👏

Was just catching up on the thread and wanted to add my congratulations to Rachel - I'm absolutely delighted and it is a stonking judgement.

And then I saw your post and had to squeeeee that I have the same dress as Maya!

BreadInCaptivity · 10/01/2024 02:17

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Karensalright · 10/01/2024 01:14

This fog is stifling me
In my company
i cannot breath i cannot see
I feel so very thirsty

A drought of truth
please quench my thirst
I need some water
to clear my mind

My home is hard
they have no clue
they drink a cup
of poison too

am still thirsty feeling faint

I fall over a suspect place

finds friends who share a cup.
but only drops

not much to spare
felt like enough

but realised soon
that rights cant wait

and soldiers must be armed
and fed.

for my own fate

this battle won
lets see what’s next to come

I felt a rain
I rushed out for quench

it felt so good to be so drenched

the umbrellas are out
But the storm is harsh

i am so wet
but not so parched

can i now be me

can i own my own company

i will probably die a death tomorrow over these prose as i am not by any stretch a poet

Cancelledcurio · 10/01/2024 00:43

So happy for Rachel and this is so important for child safeguarding and social workers! Congratulations Rachel you brave queen!!!

RaininginDarling · 10/01/2024 00:06

Thank you, Rachel. I hope you are awarded a huge payout. I'm so angry that people (mostly women) are being dragged through the legal system by the gender extremists. But each win builds on the last and weakens their stranglehold. More sunlight!

BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 23:52

Boomboom22 · 09/01/2024 23:35

It just shows how well no debate worked. This needs more publicity though, we need this sent out to all hr and edi of schools, civil service, moj, etc etc.
I don't know why the sunlight is nit spreading far enough, maybe as we are ahead of the rest of the developed world on this, but we are getting somewhere.
USA on the other hand, wtf?

Well if your head of EDI is a full on TRA as a hypothetical example do you think they are going to be proactive in informing the wider leadership teams of such developments?

Especially if they have spent most of their tenure implementing Stonewall law....

Or are they going to start polishing their turd CV and get the hell out of Dodge?

Leaving lots of organisations utterly clueless they are left with a tranche of ticking time bomb policies and training contracts.

This is an issue many years in the making. Reviewing/overhauling significant chunks of HR policy/contracts/department culture can't happen overnight, even if there is a will to do so.

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Boomboom22 · 09/01/2024 23:45

Well you'd hope that might happen after the no rape for a year, oops here it is on cctv incident but nope. So I won't hold my breath.

Karensalright · 09/01/2024 23:43

RethinkingLife · 09/01/2024 22:55

Can you elaborate?

E.g., when should NHS, Civil Service depts. etc. instruct their IT depts to remove these from the sig. files? Should publicly funded organisations that arrange webinars and conferences act with alacrity to stop mandating that registrants have to declare pronouns etc.

I'm irritated it's that trite but they're the most obvious examples.

Well the word prozelytise (Trying to change a religious, or other belief) was clearly stated as a no no in the ruling.

So an employer can not insist on any level of compliance with any type of value or activity that offends your right to be gender critical and bloody well say so.

So after a few weeks of digesting this, public sector employers are gonna have to change all their policies that compel you to agree with gender ideology.

you will be free( give it a bit) to say err no, not doing it.

chilling19 · 09/01/2024 23:41

Great news 👏👏👏👏

Boomboom22 · 09/01/2024 23:40

Lisa Nandy too. I used to love her, but apparently she's an idiot. What's her view now on these cases? I know she said she was blinded by a teen trans constituent but has she gone all the way?
What about jess Phillips? She was twaw but sunlight and facts appear to be working with her?
God knows we need high profile labour women who will get cabinet positions to be gc if labour are in by the end of the year so let's make sure that they know about all of these cases.

Boomboom22 · 09/01/2024 23:37

It would be good to get people like Penny Mordaunt and Yvette Cooper to come back from their twaw positions. These two are very powerful within their parties, but both have family members affected.