Rachel Meade - it's a win!

He's so great at exapliming the key details.

As he says, this in tbe judgment...:

We consider it wholly inappropriate that an individual such as the Claimant espousing one side of the debate should be labelled discriminatory, transphobic and to pose a potential risk to vulnerable service users. That in effect equates her views as being equivalent to an employee/social worker espousing racially discriminatory or homophobic views. The opinions expressed by the Claimant could not sensibly be viewed as being transphobic when properly considered in their full context from an objective perspective, but rather her expressing an opinion contrary to the interpretation of legislation, or perhaps more accurately the amendment to existing legislation, advocated for by trans lobbying groups to include, but not limited to, Stonewall.

Is really important for all workers who are critical of this ideology and the damage it does to women and children.

It is eventually going to have to involve support from Prevent and work related to deprogramming.

When the inevitable inquiry finally happens. Everyone who has been through the training will have to be regarded as potentially compromised, and every policy or document written by those compromised will have to be reviewed if not binned and re written.

It's an epic safeguarding disaster. And the blueprint is now there for any political extremist group that want to take over.

The group exercises in this workshop would involve them all writing "I should stop listening to Stonewall" multiple times on post-it notes

As the Righteous love to say, "language evolves" - but it's not just "woman" that has changed meaning, so have other words like "rational," "diversity," "progressive," "inclusive," "kind," "literal violence" etc (funnily enough, they're not so keen to trumpet the latter changes, those ones they want you to think still mean what they used to).

On Stonewall and legal advice, if they have used fully qualified lawyers to push their rubbish, then surely they have some sort of liability?

They need a "this is for entertainment only" disclaimer

Claims to be centre left and is American, so I'm sure you can imagine.

On Wikipedia, jfc you should see what "rationalwiki" has to say about "terfs...."

Doesn't even Wikipedia say to take Wikipedia with a large pinch of salt?

On Stonewall and legal advice, if they have used fully qualified lawyers to push their rubbish, then surely they have some sort of liability?

In my industry, (geological and hydrographic survey) all reports have a disclaimer that, whilst everything has been done by jolly clever, highly trained monkeys, if your oil rig sinks, its not our fault, on the grounds that all data is acquired via remote sensors and processed by humans, which may give duff results.

You really, really have to fuck things up, before a client will sue, even if it's lost them a few million.

I still can't believe they're still calling the fact you cannot change sex a "belief".

Why is she an ‘anti-trans’ activist rather than a pro-women feminist?

Because wikipaedia, like Reddit and so many other platforms, is dominated by editors with a particular PoV.

The Stasi behaviour of TRAs and their acolytes needs to have repercussions now, it has gone on for far, far too long.

But this was nothing to do with a client. Nor any other unprofessional behaviour that urgently needed to be reported. It was just a political disagreement. Reporting someone for their political views? Ew.

But thought-leaders like Garden Court Chambers do it. Anyone who attended the live Allison Bailey ET hearings will have seen the facial expressions and vocalised disdain of AB's colleagues when talking about her (amidst Friday afternoons, long documents, present-buying and driving into bins).

Some time later, when CGD (Centre for Global Development) were attempting to justify not offering Maya a post, they were pretty much resorting to this. Especially the Prime Mover Ellen aka Macavity who wasn't there at the hearings but had been everywhere. Trying to think who the report writers were who were dismayed to discover just how knowledgeable Maya was about the issues. The way you would be when you appoint or involve Fellows in thinktanks - you would be startled to discover a capacity for independent thought, considered positions, and intellectual rigour.

Hiyamaya was the name of Maya's personal website, but I don't know if that's the correct one and TRAs have changed the title, or if it's a fake one with a different domain ending. I'd advise caution!

one protected characteristic is no more important than another,

This needs to be hammered home and into the heads of everyone in organisations. Gender Reassignment is NOT the only nor is it the top trump protected characteristic that all others must bow down to.

TRAs and organisations influenced by them need to accept that other people have rights too, there are not and should never be any sacred castes.

In fact, I really want to force all the decision makers in all these cases onto a workshop a bit like the one you have to do when you've been caught speeding, but for respecting alternative opinions.

Slight derail… interesting that this URL comes up as the first link to a query on Maya Forstater. Why is she an ‘anti-trans’ activist rather than a pro-women feminist? Anyone know of the hiyamaya website? And it’d be great if the label gender critical could be dropped for pro-women.

Dunno but if they do sue count me in for the crowdfunders.

I can see how it happens - after all you're supposed to report abuse by a colleague, and just one client could complain about abuse and that could be valid.

But this was nothing to do with a client. Nor any other unprofessional behaviour that urgently needed to be reported. It was just a political disagreement. Reporting someone for their political views? Ew.

Definitely.

I saw that in the judgment - that two colleagues (i think one was her manager?) were suspended. I don't know if it's too late or if they would want to but I hope they persue this amd settle out of court for a massive amount and a very public apology.

I am so glad Rachel has won and that the judgment is so good. In some ways it's a horrible read because of everything that happened, but its also a brilliant read because of how it sets out the principles, the case law, and the criticisms of the two organisations.

I wonder if it will be the remedies hearing that will have an effect on HR departments. Perhaps organisations will start doing training on pluralism and respecting a diversity of beliefs and opinions. Perhaps there will have to be a new approach that acknowledges that rights come into conflict sometimes, and one protected characteristic is no more important than another, so just having training on a couple of protected characteristics by themselves won't cut it.

' investigators describing her Facebook posts as transphobic ... independently constituted harassment, a finding that should be taken very seriously by employers '

Labelling 'gc' views or feminists 'transphobic' can constitute harassment.

Good to know.

I wonder what has happened to the colleagues in the light of this decision.

Will they be eligible for apologies and claims for unfair suspension? I know that ET actions need to be started within a set time-frame but would waiting on the outcome of Meade's ET seem reasonable?

Holy fucking fuck.

That is utterly chilling.

Thanks for posting that article @Justme56 I didn't know two of Rachel's colleagues were suspended for failing to report her. Stasi-like is not hyperbole in this case. That was a dreadful thing to put on Rachel's conscience. I hope those colleagues, at the very least, receive an apology from their employer. They called it right. They didn't report, because there was nothing to report. Something it took a long and expensive court case for SWE and the CoW to learn. Assuming they have learned.

There are a few good articles in the Critic at the moment. One on stereotypes by Victoria Smith and Jo Bartosch on the current police shitshow.

Even more scary bit "Two of her colleagues were also suspended for failing to report her “discriminatory posts”