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Rachel Meade - it's a win!

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BreadInCaptivity · 09/01/2024 12:35

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stealtheatingtunnocks · 11/01/2024 09:07

I read about Blackpool being the hotspot for gender referrals, @YetAnotherSpartacus which seemed odd until I understood how impoverished that area is and how many children are fostered/in trouble/need support and therefore have middle class, indoctrinated SW.

it’s absolutely fucking terrifying.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/01/2024 09:06

Bundlejuice GrinGrinGrin

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/01/2024 09:03

I'd like to see a full inquiry into their operations to investigate their fitness to regulate.

My cat pressed the return key...

I meant to go on to say that whereas there are likely to be malpractice cases against HCPs and the Tavi has been and is being investigated so much damage is and can be done by social workers who are indoctrinated at university and who go out to practice often uncritically and without any critical thinking skills. SWE approves university SW degrees and has a say into what is taught and how it is taught.

Once in practice, social workers have to conform to SWE's dictates or they risk being the next Rachel.

Rachel won her case regarding freedom of speech but there is a lot of ideologically driven and captured practice out there and few workers willing to stand up or push back.

Yet, these workers deal with women, families, children and teens and they can do a lot of damage. This seems to fly under the radar whereas other practitioners are more in the spotlight.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 11/01/2024 08:58

Sisterpita · 11/01/2024 03:27

RMW’s tweet on the judgement

“Meanwhile, in the Meade case the tribunal found that she didn’t bring her views to work, nor did she identify herself as a social worker on social media, so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.”
https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

Well, RMW is right that trans people have nothing to worry about from this judgment because transphobia is still not allowed, and also right that Rachel Meade behaved blamelessly and professionally by discussing her views as a private person in a private group.

But RMW has missed that this judgement ruled (perhaps for the first time, which would be a landmark!) that gender critical does not automatically mean transphobic and so it is discriminatory to call the expression of a view "transphobic" just for being a "gender critical" view.

Or perhaps RMW thinks there is still a convincing argument that they really are exactly the same thing, in which case there could be grounds for an appeal. I suspect that Westminster council and SWE will not think so, but if RMW's on the team who knows?

stealtheatingtunnocks · 11/01/2024 08:56

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SinnerBoy · 11/01/2024 08:56

Helleofabore · Today 08:43

Yes, you read that right and the committee who invited White has never apologised that they invited a male who transitioned as a male, who absolutely understands the ‘power’ of their own male voice so would never have a procedure that might chance that voice.

Yes, I remember that Guardian article from some years back, when them wanged on about retaining them's booming male voice, despite they being a woman now, as it was useful and intimidating in the courtroom. It doesn't seem like the sort of trait I'd recognise in a common or garden, everyday sort of woman.

Or perhaps I don't move in the right, exalted circles?

(Edited for format )

YetAnotherSpartacus · 11/01/2024 08:52

Personally, I think this should raise serious questions about Social Work England's capacity to regulate social work in England.

I'd like to see a full inquiry into their operations to investigate their fitness to regulate.

I'd like to see what complaints have been made against workers, how these are handled, what kinds of guidance and PD they offer, and whether these are ideologically or evidence-driven.

RethinkingLife · 11/01/2024 08:51

Sisterpita · 11/01/2024 03:27

RMW’s tweet on the judgement

“Meanwhile, in the Meade case the tribunal found that she didn’t bring her views to work, nor did she identify herself as a social worker on social media, so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.”
https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

Well, of course, without prejudice, and not withstanding any findings about the soundness of the advice to SWE, RMW would feel that.

RMW felt like that about most others in which RMW has been involved and hopes to feel that way again about Sarah's case in re: single sex rape support facilities (I don't think that's come to its conclusion yet but I lose track).

Does RobinMoiraWhite ever win cases?

Tsk, you display ignorance of the Penge Bungalow Murder Taylor vs Jaguar Land Rover that is the bedrock of RMW's career. The only ET ruling that matters.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/gender-fluid-engineer-wins-landmark-uk-discrimination-case

By the way, talking about the need for de-programming…without further comment.

While on the subject of Taylor I appreciate that it is an inconvenient judgement for the trans-are-invalid analysis of the world, but I have not ‘touted it as a landmark case’ as Naomi alleges. This label was first applied by Stonewall, and would be supported by many non-binary folk. I see Stonewall now refer to it as a ‘milestone’ case and that is undoubtedly true in that it was the first case in which a non-binary identity was found to be protected under the Equality Act.
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https://translucent.org.uk/a-remarkable-document/

Gender-fluid engineer wins landmark UK discrimination case

Judge decides that there is protection for non-binary people under the Equality Act

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/gender-fluid-engineer-wins-landmark-uk-discrimination-case

Helleofabore · 11/01/2024 08:43

EasternStandard · 11/01/2024 08:19

Are they meant to have legal insight via their profession?

Because that is a very poor sum up

White is a prominent activist and is a male who loves to scold women who don’t believe that White is a woman. White is also a barrister, discrimination specialty I believe, and I also believe has been one of those advising Stonewall for years.

White insists that they should be treated exactly like a woman, and has even spoken ‘as a woman’ on the parliamentary 50:50 initiative panel giving women advice on how to progress their careers as women. Yes, you read that right and the committee who invited White has never apologised that they invited a male who transitioned as a male, who absolutely understands the ‘power’ of their own male voice so would never have a procedure that might chance that voice.

White has a long history on MN.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 11/01/2024 08:32

More from Philamore
it’s been shambolic. No governing body should have taken this wispy rubbish forward.

I wonder how many more women are being punished by this process? Are any registering bodies not captured?
https://x.com/svphillimore/status/1745353439570182462?s=46

https://x.com/svphillimore/status/1745353439570182462?s=46

Signalbox · 11/01/2024 08:28

TheFireflies · 11/01/2024 00:03

“Bundle, bundle, bundle”

A bit reckless!

EasternStandard · 11/01/2024 08:19

Are they meant to have legal insight via their profession?

Because that is a very poor sum up

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 11/01/2024 07:45

well colour me shocked that RMW is portraying a total and complete win for Rachel as being not that important.

i have noticed Robin isn’t around these parts much these days scolding us compared to 2 years ago ie pre Alison Bailey. I wonder why that is

EasternStandard · 11/01/2024 07:42

I have no idea who RMW is thankfully but that quote makes zero sense

Helleofabore · 11/01/2024 07:40

Sisterpita · 11/01/2024 03:27

RMW’s tweet on the judgement

“Meanwhile, in the Meade case the tribunal found that she didn’t bring her views to work, nor did she identify herself as a social worker on social media, so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.”
https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

Denial is strong in that one.

DerekFaker · 11/01/2024 07:21

Ha ha ha! Robin never disappoints!

SidewaysOtter · 11/01/2024 07:12

so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.

Nice try, sunshine.

ArabellaScott · 11/01/2024 07:00

Sisterpita · 11/01/2024 03:27

RMW’s tweet on the judgement

“Meanwhile, in the Meade case the tribunal found that she didn’t bring her views to work, nor did she identify herself as a social worker on social media, so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.”
https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

😂

VocalHateMovement · 11/01/2024 06:35

SinnerBoy · 10/01/2024 13:16

Surely now someone will name-change to VocalHateMovement?

Your wish is my command!

SinnerBoy · 11/01/2024 03:54

I've asked Bobby if the article them has threatened to write, "not for a right wing hate mag," if them will write something compliant with the EA 2010, or some shonky Stonewall propaganda.

Sisterpita · 11/01/2024 03:27

RMW’s tweet on the judgement

“Meanwhile, in the Meade case the tribunal found that she didn’t bring her views to work, nor did she identify herself as a social worker on social media, so far from being ‘landmark’ or ‘seismic’ the case tells us little.”
https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

https://x.com/moira_robin/status/1745166154581094428?s=46&t=lJm6-66fq4MtGcwwAsK6Kg

SidewaysOtter · 11/01/2024 02:52

stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/01/2024 22:38

Hang on, SWE’s lawyer was Robin Moira white?

how did I miss THAT?
https://x.com/svphillimore/status/1745210652078063971?s=46

Seemingly, RMW’s involvement was at the Fitness to Practice hearing, not the Employment Tribunal.

Ramblingnamechanger · 11/01/2024 01:34

So relieved about this judgement and pleased for Rachel and other people affected by the capture of organisations and professional bodies by the TRAs. But sorry she has had to go through this at all. Congratulations to her and her team

Bundlejuice · 11/01/2024 00:34

<just polishing my Bundle name, don't mind me>

(Note namechange for comedy purposes not nefarious ones or sockying)

Karensalright · 11/01/2024 00:23

SidewaysOtter · 10/01/2024 23:35

RMW lurks round these parts. Perhaps we’ll get an explanation.

<waits with bated breath>

Think the TRA,s are all laying low atm trying to come up with some strategy or other, cannot think what as i feel it is a check mate situation.