Billy Bragg having a dig at Mumsnet

I think I will start using ‘Genderman’ instead of ‘Transwoman’.

Thanks for the inspo, cis-Billy Bragg!

Looking at the replies under Barton's tweet, it is clear that the belief that "transman" means a man pretending to be a woman rather than the other way round is quite widespread (and it really makes more sense of course). No-one knows what's going on and everyone is confused now (hmm, cui bono from that d'you think?)

Everything you need to know about Barton’s knowledge of and critical thinking about this is in his tweet. He thinks trans men are male people who wear women’s clothes

Like many people, he just doesn't indulge genderist language. He either doesn't know or care that a "trans man" is supposed to be a biological female. This has no bearing on what a misogynistic arse he is.

It's mad. The whole situation makes no sense.

Some footballer is an arse, a troll makes a post on MN lauding said footballer, women on MN tell the troll to FO and MN deletes it. Then Billy writes a nasal operetta about how mums are all nazis.

It's a story made out of trolls and misogynistic men, it's fucking nothing to do with us - please can all you boring sexist men just fuck off out of Mumsnet and leave us alone?

This!

Exactly this.

It's mad. The whole situation makes no sense.

Some footballer is an arse, a troll makes a post on MN lauding said footballer, women on MN tell the troll to FO and MN deletes it. Then Billy writes a nasal operetta about how mums are all nazis.

Its a story made out of trolls and misogynistic men, its fucking nothing to do with us - please can all you boring sexist men just fuck off out of Mumsnet and leave us alone?

Poor old cis-BB, understanding is not his strong point. Still, admitting he has a problem is his first step in trying to resolve it.

Was Rosie the person who started that thread then?

From what I've been reading online transwoman is someone who has transed into a woman, ie biological man.
Transgender female is a female who's transed their gender (into male looking but biologically female).

So no wonder those who don't read these articles with a huge amount of thinking and take the words at face value are getting so confused about it all. Perhaps the next billboard should be the definitions of transwomen etc. Perhaps the Plain English Committee should do it (preferably before the GE).

This is the tweet that started the thread that the link to Mumsnet appeared. So what Billy did here was pick up on a tweet about a mythical world where 'anti-trans women' stood with Joey Barton. He obviously didn't provide any evidence of this. Oh no. He also never appeared to address Barton directly. That would be Barton, the person actually using the type of language that would be considered transphobic.
Billy never going to go after the bros

Both of those guys were out of their depth and just riffing bullshit.

Cancel Culture Debate with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Julie Bindel, Kehinde Andrews & Billy Bragg

https://www.youtube.com/live/KBOfye7F6vM?si=MC5OxbILimVbikuv

I think you'll find, @IcakethereforeIam, that "trans rights" means "I can do whatever I like and demand whatever I want and bugger everybody else, if I say I'm trans".

I get confused sometimes. I think a transgender woman is a bloke who believes he has a lady brain. But I'm sure I've seen it used to describe the opposite because, I suspect, the people using these words aren't sure either.

I was reading an article about sex, or possibly, gender based rights in one of the South American countries in the Guardian the other day. Because of their stance on this, the liberal and random use of 'gender', 'sex' and 'LGBQT', I was completely confused as to what rights might be at risk, who was at risk of losing them and who was worried about it.

The (deliberate?) confusion about what is a trans man and what is a trans woman is one of several reasons why I now try to avoid using both. In real life I use ‘men who say they are women’ and even on here I try to stick to ‘men who claim to have a gender identity’ or ‘males who have medical intervention to look more like females’ (but occasionally resort to transmen/transwomen without a space if there is a report-happy male with a special gender identity posting on the thread).

Eddy Izzard in the Women's Lavvy - supported by the likes of Bragg
And the Joey Bartons of this world sending people to the Disabled toilets.

There's no pissing peace.

Even my DH, whom I have trained to be highly GC, and who takes a lot of interest in the subject, gets confused about this at times and forgets what the terms "transwoman" and "transman" are supposed to mean. I had to see a client the other day who is a "transman" and when I mentioned this, DH made a comment which made it clear that in that moment he thought I was talking about a man dressed as a woman. When I pointed it out, he said "oh yes, of course, you are talking about a woman! Sorry!". The general public are obviously going to be confused. (See also: the meaninglessness of the census question).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/06/third-of-britons-dont-know-trans-women-born-male/

They can be bestesticles!

Billy Boy Big Bollux can pen Bestesticles the Musical 🎵

I reckon there’s enough lyrics on this thread to get him started….

Billy Bragg pwned by Munsnet <chefs kiss>

Lots of people think that. I’m sure someone will be along soon with the relevant link, but there was a survey or something a few months back which showed that lots of people think that transwomen are women who wear men’s clothes. Which may well explain the percentage of women in surveys who think transwomen should be in women’s facilities - because they mistakenly think transwomen are female.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/joey-barton-ed-balls-tranny-31821908.amp

I don't know who Joey Barton is but that tweet is gold in showing the confusion that the TRA have (purposely and successfully) sown. Is it a recent tweet?

Everything you need to know about Barton’s knowledge of and critical thinking about this is in his tweet. He thinks trans men are male people who wear women’s clothes

I can watch Julie Bindel taking on BB? Oh JOY!

That's my viewing pleasure sorted for today!

Oof. This is excellent. Brava!

What a silly little man he is.

I have loathed him for many a year. Was never keen, saw him live mid 80s, confirmed he was a talentless fake.