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What does GC gender critical mean?

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Itsholly · 07/01/2024 08:07

What do you determine the definition of this term?

Is it a relatively new term, my understanding is that it means you are critical of gender - so if someone is born male and identifies as a different gender, say a woman, then I would be gender critical if I was critical of this particular circumstance?

Is it against the law or rules at work to openly admit you are gender critical? I mean, I am, but can I outwardly say I am?

Also - is gender critical what a trans person may refer to as a terf? Like, is it the same thing?

Thanks

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Redpeonies · 07/01/2024 08:56

The way they use t*rf in the OP just sounds like a gotcha.

It's all too carefully composed.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 08:53

I do feel this onslaught of 'what does GC even mean' is just trying to harvest screenshots of how mean those FWR women are.

Maybe. Presumably with limited success though, since we all pretty much always say that we think that people should be left in peace to dress how they like and call themselves whatever name they like, and should (and indeed do) have the same rights as anyone else.

Redpeonies · 07/01/2024 08:50

Yeah the way it is worded just sounds like they know all the answers to their questions already, or definitely know enough about this area that they could easily find the answers themselves.

AlisonDonut · 07/01/2024 08:40

I do feel this onslaught of 'what does GC even mean' is just trying to harvest screenshots of how mean those FWR women are.

Itsholly · 07/01/2024 08:40

Redpeonies · 07/01/2024 08:26

Didn't we have this exact thread only a couple of days ago?

Sorry if I missed it, I'm not a frequent user of this board. Bit of a novice but know what I think.

Agree with the person that said they can dress how they like as long as they do not encroach on women's spaces.

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Redpeonies · 07/01/2024 08:26

Didn't we have this exact thread only a couple of days ago?

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 07/01/2024 08:25

Gender critical means rejecting gender stereotypes. So liking pink has nothing to do with being female.

It is not against the law to be gc although organisations like Stonewall have misrepresented the law so many people think it is. See Maya Forstater.

AmateurNoun · 07/01/2024 08:22

This was how Maya Forstater's core GC beliefs were defined in her ET and EAT decisions:

“The core of the Claimant's belief is that sex is biologically immutable. There are only two sexes, male and female. She considers this is a material reality. Men are adult males. Women are adult females. There is no possibility of any sex in-between male and female; or that a person is neither male nor female. It is impossible to change sex. Males are people with the type of body which, if all things are working, are able to produce male gametes (sperm). Females have the type of body which, if all things are working, is able to produce female gametes (ova), and gestate a pregnancy. It is sex that is fundamentally important, rather than “gender”, “gender identity” or “gender expression”. She will not accept in any circumstances that a trans woman is in reality a woman or that a trans man is a man. That is the belief that the Claimant holds.”

In Britain, holding GC beliefs is protected by the Equality Act 2010. Manifesting such beliefs is also protected as long as it does not harass or discriminate against someone else. So the answer is context-dependent but usually it will be fine to say that you are gender critical at work.

I suppose in theory there may be situations where just saying you are GC could be harassment, like if you had a transwoman colleague who sat at the desk next to you and every time they spoke to you, you said "Did you know I am gender critical?"

Generally people seem to keep it quiet though for fear of colleagues' reactions even though it is legally protected. I know I am relatively covert about it, but raise issues related to biological sex and the immutability of that with senior managers and where appropriate (e.g. when discussing language used for women's health sessions etc.)

PriOn1 · 07/01/2024 08:22

”so if someone is born male and identifies as a different gender, say a woman, then I would be gender critical if I was critical of this particular circumstance?”

He can “identify as” whatever he likes and that’s entirely up to him. He can wear clothes designed for women, no objections from me. If he invades women’s spaces or demands rights that are women’s rights, I would be critical of his actions. If a company or body prioritized his desire to be in women’s spaces over women’s need to have single sex spaces, then I would be critical of that circumstance.

For me, gender critical partly means I don’t believe in some kind of magical “gender identity” that can be different from a person’s sex. But it also means I am critical of the whole concept of gender or more specifically gendered roles or behaviour when it is used to mean that women ought to behave in certain ways and men ought to behave differently.

I’m a woman, but that doesn’t mean I am feminine. Men should be free to express themselves in ways that are considered feminine by society.

He can never be a woman though, because the word woman refers to a sex class and I object strongly against the changes recently brought in following pressure from groups like Stonewall where “gender identity” replaces sex in that definition.

WarriorN · 07/01/2024 08:20

Feminists were always originally critical of gender stereotypes as they are oppressive, actually to both men and women.

That's where it essentially comes from.

Since gender has now become for those who believe, a reality; 'you are actually the sex that's stereotypically linked to what you like to wear or do,' those who don't believe this are called gender critical.

The term became set in law thanks to the Maya Forstater case.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 07/01/2024 08:19

Imo being gender critical doesn't necessarily mean that you have a problem with people 'idebtifying as' belonging to the opposite sex per se, in the sense that they might change their name, dress as the opposite sex etc. Being GC generally means that you don't think that society and the law should categorise people according to gender (i.e. a bunch of stereotypes) rather than biological sex. And yes, that's what many genderists would refer to as a terf.

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