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An "I'm Spartacus" phrase that almost everyone would sign up to?

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worstofbothworlds · 03/01/2024 12:12

I'm wondering if it would be possible to have a phrase for the "I don't understand but this is madness" friends and colleagues of those who are being harassed and ostracized?
Or is everyone who hasn't looked into gender ideology too cautious?
I'm pretty sure 99% of people don't believe humans can change sex but would they actually stand up in a meeting or put in their email signatures "my name is Dave and I don't believe humans can change sex"?

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stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 04/01/2024 10:33

in terms of the equivalent of gravity exists.

E-mail sign off suggestion:
Reality is everything that is still there when you stop believing in it.

For dropping into general conversation.

Sex is real and it certainly impacts what is and isn't possible or reasonable in some situations. Men and women can do whatever makes them happy and comfortable, but only up to a point, some things aren't possible, some expectations aren't reasonable.

AIstolemylunch · 04/01/2024 10:32

I think civilians do find an absence of pronouns or any signifiers as evidence that the person knows it's all a load of old bollocks now though. Its the same in IT. Few of the woke brigade have he/him or they/them pronouns and everybody else just ignores the boxes inviting you to add pronouns.

I do feel sorry for people that have been compelled in their workplace to put them though.

WickedSerious · 04/01/2024 10:20

Reality.
It's a thing.

WarriorN · 04/01/2024 10:04

The position we are in today in 2024, it's highly likely that as much is signalled in the absence of pronouns than the presence of them.

If present it's likely to be either aggressive edi training, going along with the trend or truly believe.

There are very few places that haven't be EDI'd now.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/01/2024 10:00

worstofbothworlds · 04/01/2024 09:52

Can you see people putting these in their Twitter bios/email signatures?
Prof Smith, FRS, men shouldn't be in women's prisons.
Prof Smith, FRS, he/him
Prof Smith, FRS, men shouldn't be in women's sports

No, if Prof Smith is an FRS then he should have more sense than to add pronouns or anything relating to their beliefs or politics to his signature.

WarriorN · 04/01/2024 09:57

The thing is, it's not up to us to have to spend extra time or effort to point out the obvious.

"I'm a sex realist" isn't needed.

The base position is that you can't change sex and sex matters. That is in law. That is basic science.

So absence of pronouns is better than adding some sort of catchphrase.

It's not our side that came up with this bs.

I'm an atheist but I don't put any signifying phrase in signatures. An extremely religious person might.

WarriorN · 04/01/2024 09:54

Gender is sexist.

worstofbothworlds · 04/01/2024 09:52

Can you see people putting these in their Twitter bios/email signatures?
Prof Smith, FRS, men shouldn't be in women's prisons.
Prof Smith, FRS, he/him
Prof Smith, FRS, men shouldn't be in women's sports

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ErrolTheDragon · 04/01/2024 09:43

"what would everyone who isn't captured agree with to point out that we are in the majority"

Some specifics:

  • rapists being put in women's jails, most people will also agree they're in no way women and shouldn't be referred to as such.
  • sports, most people can readily understand why it's unfair and often unsafe for males to be allowed in women's and girls' sports
worstofbothworlds · 04/01/2024 09:34

I am not really thinking "what can we GC people say to point out the folly of GI views".
I am really thinking "what would everyone who isn't captured agree with to point out that we are in the majority". Like everyone would say "do we really need to point out we agree the world is round?". Well, in a climate where we are harassed or told we aren't kind for saying just that, if 90% of people said this openly and frequently, perhaps the harassers would work out they are in the minority.

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WarriorN · 04/01/2024 09:04

Yes, I add "it's just all so sexist though, isn't it?"

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/01/2024 08:16

With allies, I have said I wonder if it's really kind to encourage people to believe in physical impossibilities. Unfortunately, they've mostly gone straight into screaming BIGOT so I can't claim any success with that approach.

When talking to over-forties who are trying to be right-on and "how brave" about kids who want to transition, I've found that a dubious headshake and "these young people, they don't really think about the long term do they?" works quite well.

WarriorN · 04/01/2024 07:35

NY Eve.

Need to investigate the edit set up on iPhone

WarriorN · 04/01/2024 07:35

Eunuch maker links to WPATH worked well on my eve on my mates 😎

2024GarlicCloves · 04/01/2024 04:09

worstofbothworlds · 03/01/2024 13:40

Unfortunately I am an academic (though in STEM, you'd think the students were more sensible but it's everywhere) so every 20 and 30 something woman in admin is an "ally". Older male professors not so much but they are all "well I don't really understand".

"Agree! It is really hard to understand why so many people think humans can change sex." Or "... are claiming there's no difference between male and female", or even "... have suddenly insisted the penis is a female organ".

"Where did we go wrong, did we not teach them about sexual reproduction?"

With allies, I have said I wonder if it's really kind to encourage people to believe in physical impossibilities. Unfortunately, they've mostly gone straight into screaming BIGOT so I can't claim any success with that approach.

I'm very happy to describe myself as a gender abolitionist - because I am, and have been since my early teens or before. People don't generally know what it means and aren't asking for a Feminism 101, so I guess I get written off as a boomer Karen old fart with no nuance 😏

cloudtree · 04/01/2024 03:47

worstofbothworlds · 04/01/2024 02:46

Hmm... I guess I'm thinking more of something that civilians would find obvious (like, gravity exists).

If civilians don’t find it obvious that there are only two sexes or that people cannot change sex then nothing is obvious I’m afraid.

SinnerBoy · 04/01/2024 03:07

Violetparis · Yesterday 17:30

I work in the NHS, I presume that those who don't have pronouns in their email signatures think it is a load of bollocks, the majority don't have them though a significant number do.

Hi, I'm Sinner and my pronouns are Fo / Ad!

(Not to you...)

worstofbothworlds · 04/01/2024 02:46

Hmm... I guess I'm thinking more of something that civilians would find obvious (like, gravity exists).

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stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 03/01/2024 20:24

viques · 03/01/2024 19:19

If you made it “Hi, I support single sex services” you could use the acronym HISSSS. Add in a witchy finger gesture and a cackle and I think it would be perfect.

My graphic design skills are not up to the task but this deserves to be a meme / t-shirt.

bollockstoallthat · 03/01/2024 19:21

"I am an adult human female" on email signature.

Says what it means and means what it says.

viques · 03/01/2024 19:19

stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 03/01/2024 16:43

"I support single sex services" is the best one for where we are right now I think.

If you made it “Hi, I support single sex services” you could use the acronym HISSSS. Add in a witchy finger gesture and a cackle and I think it would be perfect.

ArabellaScott · 03/01/2024 19:14

Violetparis · 03/01/2024 17:30

I work in the NHS, I presume that those who don't have pronouns in their email signatures think it is a load of bollocks, the majority don't have them though a significant number do.

Yes. It's often the silences and absence of signals that are just as telling.

dapsnotplimsolls · 03/01/2024 19:12

We could all just carry a picture of Isla Bryson and those pink leggings around with us.

newtlover · 03/01/2024 17:35

who is this signal aimed at? at TRAs, their allies, fellow TERFs ir TERF-adjacent, people who just haven't given it any thought?

Violetparis · 03/01/2024 17:30

I work in the NHS, I presume that those who don't have pronouns in their email signatures think it is a load of bollocks, the majority don't have them though a significant number do.