Trans woman named as UK champion for Women's Rights by the UN....

No-one would ever contemplate appointing a white person as BAME rights champion even if they had worked tirelessly for equality but when it comes to womens rights trans women don't even have to claim to want to put women first and they get the position.

I am struggling to think of any male we have seen take a representative post set aside for women and girls, on the grounds of identifying as a woman, who hasn't then immediately refocused the post away from women and women's needs and interests of being a voice for them, and used the position entirely to further their own interests and agenda.

We have had a Labour women's officer and the UN champion of women both explain to women than anything biologically linked to women is exclusionary to male people who identify as women and therefore cannot be part of their focus or role in representing women.

#thisneverworksforwomen.Ever.

I'm going to say zero.

I don't think there is a man on the planet who can actively promote sexist stereotypes by 'presenting as a woman' who could then possibly represent women and girls.

If you need to use sexism, you can't simultaneously eliminate it.

Ooh. How many names are on this shortlist?

Ten? Five?

But if you're going to choose a TW you might find one who's notable for how much for how much good work they've done for women and girls, and one who would never have been guilty of misogynist or homophobic attacks on women.

Oh good call. It's the lowest of low bars, isn't?

If you're going to hire someone to represent women and girls, then on that basis, you will absolutely have evidence of the good work they've done to warrant it.

So let's see a transwoman with that evidence.

Even one.

I'll DM you the text.

There are two issues - choosing a TW and choosing this TW. Yes, there are strong arguments for not choosing a TW at all. But if you're going to choose a TW you might find one who's notable for how much for how much good work they've done for women and girls, and one who would never have been guilty of misogynist or homophobic attacks on women. Not one who's mostly notable for having been born male with a side order of shutting down women and saying offensive things in public.

As an aside, I'm getting really tired of hearing people refer to trans identified men simply as transgender - making no distinction between transmen and transwomen.

Obviously I would just prefer them to be called men. Failing that, men who identify as transgender. And failing that, transwomen.

But just saying transgender, which so many comments and reports do, could easily mean a woman.

It's got nothing to do with what they identify as, and everything to do with the fact that they're men.

And in this case highly misogynistic at that.

The fucking nerve of telling women in their own march, not to refer to their own biology because it leaves out men. Quite breathtaking really.

And as for understanding safeguarding, what a joke. There was that very enlightening clip of Julia Long asking Bergdorf about an 11 year old boy who was having money thrown at him, when twerking in a gay man's club. Bergdorf couldn't see anything wrong with it.

'We should let children do whatever they want', I believe was his conclusion.

Always the first rule of safeguarding, obviously.

Can I ask, what did you say to them? It’s hard in my mind to separate out a complaint from Bergdorf being biologically male.

Google was my friend and I have very politely let UN Women UK know that they've made a poor choice.

https://www.unwomenuk.org/contact/

I didn't complain about Bergdorf being male. To my mind a good champion could be any sex or gender. I only pointed out that being born male was no excuse for Bergdorf's behaviour.

I didn't say - but I do strongly suspect! - that they would not have appointed a biological woman who had ever said similar things about other women in public. Even women can have deeply internalised misogyny and sometimes the Bergdorfs of this world benefit from it.

I don't want to damage the UN. I just wish they wouldn't damage themselves.

You make a good point

Judith Woods in the Telegraph, so early in 2024 and already out of fucks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/01/04/munroe-bergdorf-trans-champion-un-woman-uk/

https://archive.ph/wYXtB archive link

I'm not deflated. This has done the UN far more damage than it's done women. If they'd chosen a female woman it would have been unnoticed but I think the " no such thing as bad publicity" trope is wrong when it comes to gender ideology. It plays in to Trump's hands as he can hold this sort of nonsense up as a reason the UN is an expensive irrelevance ran by numpties but this is a bad day for the UN not for us. I'm not sure it does Bergdorf any favours as Bergdorf's most misogynistic sayings come back to bite them on the bum

^ Great interview with Maya Forstater on this

Yes but they'd share really inconvenient facts, realities and thoughts with the general public that would be really unhelpful to men with skin in the game of trampling on women for their jollies!

I find the sheer terror of even acknowledging the existence of other perspectives quite encouraging. It tells me they absolutely know they do not have a leg to stand on and the success of this is time limited until enough people know the facts.

What did Barnum say? You can fool all the people some of the time.

Oh FUCK OFF

I'm too angry / defeated for anything more coherent

Why on earth did GB News get a trans rights activist on to comment on whether the appointment of another trans rights activist was a good thing? Nobody from any of the 17 women's rights groups quoted were invited on 😡

Yep. In the sea with the WHO

The UN is fucking useless. And, as PP have said, trolling women.

Another one to add to the list of formerly useful organisations which can now just jump in the bloody sea.

Make sure you have taken your blood pressure meds before watching...

😂Don't sit on the fence, tell us what you really feel.

He can fuck off to the arse end of fuck and take the UN with him.

Hilarious. Someone in the UN must have a sense of humour.

Women are, as ever, the punchline.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · Today 08:53

Sadly not my original thought

Perhaps you could identify as having thought of it?

😃

That would be enlightening, could be a good opening doorstep question for canvassers.

Sadly not my original thought (@JellySaurus and @NotBadConsidering and others on the Asexual thread got there first!) but I am going to keep borrowing it!