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First time poster - question about GC beliefs

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lovelycosyslippers · 02/01/2024 18:21

This is my first time posting on this board. I am trying to work out what my position is in the trans/gender debate.

If you hold gender critical beliefs, do you accept that some people firmly believe they are born in the 'wrong' body, and have a right to live as the other sex (up to but not including the point where it would impinge on the rights of that other sex), possibly taking hormones and undergoing surgery? Is this a coherent position to hold?

Or do you believe these people should not ever be supported to live as the opposite sex? That doing so is always wrong?

Hope this question makes sense!

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StephanieSuperpowers · 02/01/2024 18:40

Sure, adults can call themselves anything they want, dress however they choose and make any body modifications they desire. Nothing to do with me until they try to force themselves into certain spaces reserved for women or attempt to force anyone to pretend to agree with their beliefs.

However, children shouldn't be encouraged to imagine they can change sex or were born on the wrong body and no medical treatment should be considered for minors.

ChishiyaBat · 02/01/2024 18:39

Yes I think that some people may believe they are born in the "wrong body" but they aren't and I don't believe anyone can live as the opposite sex, I think they need therapy not hormones and surgery, it's not "kind" to affirm these peoples delusions in my opinion.
On the other hand I think people can wear and do what they like as long as they don't expect other people to believe what they believe and do NOT infringe on other peoples rights and beliefs.

ArabellaScott · 02/01/2024 18:38

Yo, OP. Welcome.

If you hold gender critical beliefs, do you accept that some people firmly believe they are born in the 'wrong' body,

Yes, sure. People believe all sorts of stuff.

and have a right to live as the other sex

In what way?

(up to but not including the point where it would impinge on the rights of that other sex), possibly taking hormones and undergoing surgery?

Do people have a right to take hormones and have surgery? Adults, yes. Children, no.

Is this a coherent position to hold?

?

Or do you believe these people should not ever be supported to live as the opposite sex? That doing so is always wrong?

Again, what do you mean by 'live as the opposite sex'?

ErrolTheDragon · 02/01/2024 18:37

I think that there are people (a minority of those now considered to be 'trans') who have genuine dysphoria. If hormones and even surgery genuinely help them (after full counselling etc) then that should be possible.

And obviously anyone can 'present' in whatever way they choose.
Being gender critical means we don't want anyone bound by gender stereotypes so if a man wants long hair and makeup that's fine.
This means that the idea of 'living as the opposite sex' is void ... what can it possibly mean?

LoobiJee · 02/01/2024 18:37

Basically, if you think that gender identity is more important than, and should be prioritised over, biological sex, you don’t hold a gender critical belief.

parietal · 02/01/2024 18:36

people should have a right to dress how they choose (including clothes traditionally associated with a different gender) and change their name if they want.

If hormones and surgery are medically necessary that should be possible (but might need to be private treatment, not NHS).

But they still cannot change their sex and must be prepared to be classified according to sex on the occasions when it matters (sport, changing rooms, medical care etc).

NancyDrawed · 02/01/2024 18:30

Can you clarify what you mean by 'live as the opposite sex'

RocketPanda · 02/01/2024 18:29

I believe that anyone can live however they want within the law but are not and should not be considered as the opposite sex. It will always be women that lose out.

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