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Kate Osborne MP: 'My NY Resolution is to block T*rfs'

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ArabellaScott · 31/12/2023 15:07

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1741418883167170950

That's what she said.

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1741418883167170950

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ArabellaScott · 01/01/2024 11:11

Obviously it's horrible if she's had hate mail and nobody should be harassed or intimidated. But I think Kate Osborne needs to take her own advice.

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EasternStandard · 01/01/2024 11:10

ArabellaScott · 01/01/2024 11:08

Kate Osborne posted this on her Twitter, yesterday:

'Politicians have got to realise that their language has consequences. That this has happened since that meeting, with me personally, in my constituency, is a prime example of that. Ministers and politicians have a duty to protect all of our communities and not stoke hate.'

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1741520350276374684

So a complete hypocrite as well as stirring hate against women

Good job

ArabellaScott · 01/01/2024 11:08

Kate Osborne posted this on her Twitter, yesterday:

'Politicians have got to realise that their language has consequences. That this has happened since that meeting, with me personally, in my constituency, is a prime example of that. Ministers and politicians have a duty to protect all of our communities and not stoke hate.'

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1741520350276374684

https://twitter.com/KateOsborneMP/status/1741520350276374684

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ArabellaScott · 01/01/2024 11:05

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-women-demand-candidate-kate-osborne-is-barred-over-gun-image-11858062

'...a group of 27 female Labour candidates are calling on the party's General Secretary Jennie Formby and the ruling National Executive Committee (NEC) to forbid her from standing when it decides her fate later on Saturday.
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In a letter, the candidates, including Liz Kendall, Jess Phillips, Yvette Cooper, Lucy Powell, Cat Smith and Vicky Foxcroft, urge the party to stop Ms Osborne from being able to run for the party.
The letter states: "The impact of such images are clear - they incite intimidation and violence against female politicians.'

Labour women demand candidate Kate Osborne is barred over gun image

Liz Kendall, Jess Phillips and Yvette Cooper are among those who say in a letter that such images incite violence.

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-women-demand-candidate-kate-osborne-is-barred-over-gun-image-11858062

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EasternStandard · 01/01/2024 11:05

graceinspace999 · 01/01/2024 11:02

What’s the problem? Everyone in the world agrees with blocking terfs.

The real problem is the terfs are everywhere.

One can block windows and doors but then there’s the letterbox! One must allow letters from constituents.

The only solution is to live in a castle filled with penis-minders and have a moat filled with deep water.

But then there’s that horrible terf, what’s her name? the swimmer, Sharon somebody…

She might be capable of swimming across the moat.

Never mind, a penis-minder at the turret with a machine gun will stop her.

I mean it’s ok to shoot a terf isn’t it?

Depressingly close

How much violence will be condoned by Labour MPs if they get a majority?

It’ll be like Drakeford’s misogynistic reel. No stopping them. Look out for laws that inhibit challenge.

graceinspace999 · 01/01/2024 11:02

What’s the problem? Everyone in the world agrees with blocking terfs.

The real problem is the terfs are everywhere.

One can block windows and doors but then there’s the letterbox! One must allow letters from constituents.

The only solution is to live in a castle filled with penis-minders and have a moat filled with deep water.

But then there’s that horrible terf, what’s her name? the swimmer, Sharon somebody…

She might be capable of swimming across the moat.

Never mind, a penis-minder at the turret with a machine gun will stop her.

I mean it’s ok to shoot a terf isn’t it?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 01/01/2024 10:55

Worth noting in that article that a number of Labour women MPs wrote stating that:

'If Kate Osborne is selected, it would undermine any claim our party makes to stand resolutely against the harassment and intimidation of women in public life.'

How true that comment turned out to be.

Froodwithatowel · 01/01/2024 10:49

RebelliousCow · 01/01/2024 10:43

I suspect that this means that Labour will oppose moves to make sure that sex refers to biological sex; so that those with a GRC will still be able to access single sex spaces. Of course, Labour also means to make it far easier for people to acquire a GRC.

In essence to protect the confusion and lack of clarity in the EqA to in turn protect the interests of men to dominate and control without hinderance from other people's rights and equalities.

Froodwithatowel · 01/01/2024 10:45

It has always been very apparent that all of the Labour members of the 'Women and Equalities committee' are activists on behalf of Stonewall.

And are therefore drawn to anything labelled 'women' like flies to honey, in order to control it and redirect it to being centred upon men who identify as women at all times, as required by this affiliation. 'Women' is a word requiring 'search and destroy' as a duty upon the faithful.

What is the matter with that MP? Apparently a major, major issue in the kind of person who ends up getting put forward for selection - where the hell are they finding these people and wtf is it that is preventing better quality or even more normality? - and a major issue with accountability and standards.

After a year when we saw politicians grinning under a sign calling to decapitate women who argued back with men who wished to destroy their rights? When a male MP openly went to sit in the space of a female MP and bully her, right on camera in front of witnesses and a television audience, for the crime of arguing back with men who wished to destroy her and other women's rights? When an MP can share memes like this? And NO action of any kind was taken against any of these MPs. No sanctions, no public demonstration that there is any kind of professional code or even the basic standards of behaviour required of four year olds at the average primary school.

Why worry about partygate and lies at the top when this kind of behaviour is rife throughout?

The time of the professional politician really needs to be over. It is increasingly only a very specialised (to put it politely) kind of person who has the interest in local party politics and the time and capacity and money available to get into a position to be put forward for selection.

RebelliousCow · 01/01/2024 10:43

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 09:27

Coming back to this point about the Labour party’s position.

I note that the article is carefully worded.

“Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it.”

It’s only attempts to undermine the Equality Act put forward by the Conservative UK Government that Labour will oppose. Not any attempt to undermine the Equality Act. I suppose their commitment to opposing the undermining of the Equality Act has to be very narrowly defined - given that in 2022 they supported the SNP’s attempt to undermine it via the Scottish GRA bill.

I suspect that this means that Labour will oppose moves to make sure that sex refers to biological sex; so that those with a GRC will still be able to access single sex spaces. Of course, Labour also means to make it far easier for people to acquire a GRC.

RebelliousCow · 01/01/2024 10:38

Floisme · 31/12/2023 17:59

I'm not really interested in whether it's hate speech to be honest. But I'm interested that a Labour representative on the Women and Equalities Select Committee appears to be comfortable using a term that's abusive of women who want to retain single sex spaces - a policy her own party is meant to support.

It has always been very apparent that all of the Labour members of the 'Women and Equalities committee' are activists on behalf of Stonewall.

ArabellaScott · 01/01/2024 10:32

What is actually wrong with this MP?

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BobBobBobbing · 01/01/2024 10:23

Thanks for sharing this- we are in her constituency and that'll be 2 less votes for her from this left wing house.

Ties in with the attitude from the Labour canvassers in the local elections. My vote was genuinely up for grabs with this as my key issue. The labour canvasser literally backed down the front path when I said I had concerns about Labour's position on single sex services. The green canvasser had a thoughtful and nuanced discussion, including that biological sex was important and different to gender. And talked about how he advocates within the party to this effect. The greens got our votes (despite their national position) and won.

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 10:21

Floisme · 01/01/2024 10:07

Here's the link to the whole debate on 'They Work for You' - not the official Hansard but I normally find it pretty reliable. Scroll down for Dodds' speech.

It was the repetition of 'Let me be clear' that tickled me the most, although it's not funny really because you I don't think you'd parrot a phrase like that unless you needed to stick to a script because you weren't on top of your brief.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2023-12-06b.359.0

Thanks floisme, I started reading the Hansard but your link is better as that website has the MPs’ photos, which makes it easier to keep track of the exchanges.

Floisme · 01/01/2024 10:09

Sorry cross post! Yes that's the one.

Floisme · 01/01/2024 10:07

Here's the link to the whole debate on 'They Work for You' - not the official Hansard but I normally find it pretty reliable. Scroll down for Dodds' speech.

It was the repetition of 'Let me be clear' that tickled me the most, although it's not funny really because you I don't think you'd parrot a phrase like that unless you needed to stick to a script because you weren't on top of your brief.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2023-12-06b.359.0

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 10:04

Floisme · 01/01/2024 09:49

It was in the debate with Kemi Badenoch a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't access Hansard at the time so I read it on 'They Work for You' instead. I'll see if I kept the link, hang in

Was it the 6th December session on gender recognition?

I’ve put KB and Hansard into Google and that seems the likeliest one in December.

Edited to add: I’ve found it.

“Let me be clear: Labour wants to modernise the Gender Recognition Act while making sure that that does not override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. We recognise that sex and gender are different, as the Equality Act does, but I am afraid the Minister’s statement only underlines how chaotic her Government’s approach has become, with the Conservatives apparently completely divided on these issues and focused on rhetoric rather than delivery. LGBT+ people deserve better.”

1.47pm in the debate

MandyMotherOfBrian · 01/01/2024 10:01

The same Kate Osborne that a group of Labour women pleaded to not be allowed to stand as an MP after she shared an image of Theresa May with a gun to her head (during the first GE following Jo Cox’s murder)? At a time when women, and particularly in politics, were suffering unprecedented levels of abuse via social media. She isn’t fit for office for all kinds of reasons, and no, she should not be sitting on the WESC.

Floisme · 01/01/2024 09:49

It was in the debate with Kemi Badenoch a couple of weeks ago. I couldn't access Hansard at the time so I read it on 'They Work for You' instead. I'll see if I kept the link, hang in

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 09:46

Floisme · 01/01/2024 09:38

Good spot LoobiJee, I hadn't seen that. Yes I'm very wary of slippery phrasing, especially after the way Anneliese Dodds repeated part of that article pretty much word for word in the House of Commons. She even repeated 'Let me be clear'!

Can you remember when she repeated it, floisme? I’d like to read the Hansard record of the precise words she used.

Floisme · 01/01/2024 09:38

Good spot LoobiJee, I hadn't seen that. Yes I'm very wary of slippery phrasing, especially after the way Anneliese Dodds repeated part of that article pretty much word for word in the House of Commons. She even repeated 'Let me be clear'!

EasternStandard · 01/01/2024 09:38

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 09:27

Coming back to this point about the Labour party’s position.

I note that the article is carefully worded.

“Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it.”

It’s only attempts to undermine the Equality Act put forward by the Conservative UK Government that Labour will oppose. Not any attempt to undermine the Equality Act. I suppose their commitment to opposing the undermining of the Equality Act has to be very narrowly defined - given that in 2022 they supported the SNP’s attempt to undermine it via the Scottish GRA bill.

A slightly different point but your post has made me think of it

The biggest amendment that could help us is changing the definition of sex to biological sex.

Labour - “Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it.”

They will oppose this and defend the act

Weasel wording spin mean many on here think Labour have ‘changed’. They haven’t they will make the GRC easier and oppose any move to pretty much the only solution we have.

LoobiJee · 01/01/2024 09:27

LoobiJee · 31/12/2023 19:46

Thanks floisme

So it’s several paras on how Labour are going to make it easier for men to get a certificate which says they are female but will be more canny and tactical in how they approach that goal than the SNP were. And then this:

“Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it. We will protect and uphold it in government, including both its protected characteristics and its provision for single-sex exemptions.
^^
We need to recognise that sex and gender are different – as the Equality Act does. We will make sure that nothing in our modernised gender recognition process would override the single-sex exemptions in the Equality Act. Put simply, this means that there will always be places where it is reasonable for biological women only to have access. Labour will defend those spaces, providing legal clarity for the providers of single-sex services.”

Coming back to this point about the Labour party’s position.

I note that the article is carefully worded.

“Moreover, let me be clear: we are proud of the Equality Act and will oppose any Conservative attempt to undermine it.”

It’s only attempts to undermine the Equality Act put forward by the Conservative UK Government that Labour will oppose. Not any attempt to undermine the Equality Act. I suppose their commitment to opposing the undermining of the Equality Act has to be very narrowly defined - given that in 2022 they supported the SNP’s attempt to undermine it via the Scottish GRA bill.

TommyNever · 01/01/2024 08:59

Let's hope enough voters make it their NY resolution to vote that waste of space out of office.

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