USA Boxing to allow transgender women to fight born women

Levine is more than just a 'token' gesture, though. She has some sway, and she is using it:

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2024/04/15/u-s-cabinet-official-leads-seminar-on-transgender-health-and-policy/

@DrBlackbird · Today 22:09

Ygank you for those details about the USA.

I’d almost be tempted to vote for Trump, whom I detest, because this is so wrong.

Rachel Levine is just the usual male sort of military general but wearing female uniform. Imagine thinking this made for the ‘first’ woman in the job. That was another of Biden’s acts of performance to curry favour with a certain group. Why not have a woman be the first “first woman who …” before dragging in a male version.

I fear it's just a matter of time until someone asks Harris or Walz in a public setting what a woman is, etc. etc. and there's some idiotic response (I am a Democrat and will vote for them, but god...) and I'll have to stay off Facebook for another week... well maybe that's not so bad.

The situation in the US is bleak whatever happens in the election. Awful for American voters, especially women.

This

this whole thing is pushing me closer to the edge

I imagine this policy change is being pushed by Rachel Levine, the US Assistant Secretary for Health, who coincidentally is a 4 star general and a paediatrician. An interesting combination.

Biden was a centrist but his administration decidedly quite L of centre as exemplified by the Asst Secretary choice.

Plus, LGBTQ rights groups celebrate Vice President Harris's selection of Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as her running mate because he’s seen as an ally who signed the euphemistically named gender affirmation care into law in Minnesota. Some Democrats are put off by Harris and Waltz because they are so ‘liberal’ on this issue.

It is so frustrating. Obviously anyone but Trump, but why does it have to be at the expense of women and children’s safeguarding? Such a messed up world.

www.mprnews.org/story/2023/03/08/walz-moves-to-protect-those-seeking-genderaffirming-care

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58974627

After all, they're all women....

"No trans athlete has dominated competitions—ever.”
Will be time to retire this questionable talking point and come up with another one soon.

Your experience was always my experience with amateur martial arts. You respected your own ability, especially when fighting less experienced or smaller, lighter opponents.

However, when you fight competitively, respect goes out of the window and the only honour is in winning. This becomes a big problem for women fighting men.

I was competitive but no way could I beat a physically-matched male opponent.

Every man who takes to the ring knows he can - or, in the case of retired, could - beat a woman in a fight. And hurt her.

Don't encourage them!

Probably the ring girl.

Sponsored by Nike.... wonder if Dylan will be participating?

What a terrible article, Very much I'm the victim here, with no reference to any of the scientific work that has been done.

The hearing took place as the Biden Administration's Education Department is pushing to change Title IX to support the inclusion of trans athletes in women's sports ( from the Daily Mail article)

How could the Biden Administration be so stupid?

Only if they step into the ring with them.
If the get organised and refuse to fight them, it won't happen.

Personally, I love boxing and martial arts, and have participated in both. All of the classes I've attended have been mixed sex, and the trainers always made it clear that if you were a woman training with a man (this happened for a number of reasons), then the guy was always expected to reduce his punch / kick power to whatever the woman could tolerate. Neither the men, nor the women had a problem with this. The woman was always in control.
I am very short, and non competitive (five ft one inch), but technically, I was very good. I remember being paired with a guy who was very short, very slight, and lacking technical ability, and he wiped the floor with me simply because he was a male, with all of the advantages that one gains from being XY.
It's impossible to describe how much more powerful a man is, compared to a woman, even if they have relatively similar physiologies. The guys I trained with were extremely respectful, and would have been mortified at the thought of going into a ring with a woman.
It's horrendous that the "female" Olympic boxers assumed that they were engaging in fair fights with their XX opponents. It might sound old fashioned, but "proper" combat sports are about honour and respect for yourself, your opponent, your club ) country,cand your sport. Where is the honour in XY fighters who gloated in their victories against XX opponents?

It was interesting that the Coca-Cola bottles that were present in every IOC press conference, were missing in Thomas Bach's last press conference. There was a lot of talk around sponsors and what they may or may not want to be associated with on 'X'.

Loads of solutions to how you might structure the female boxing category but the IOC are stuck on a self-ID ideology (don't want to test athletes but legal ID such as a passport is adequate), and weren't open to taking the same stance as World Athletics, Aquatics, Cycling etc (all of whom do not allow anyone who has gone through male puberty into the women's category).

I'd highly recommend hearing Dr Emma Hilton:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/heretics-andrew-gold/id1515932214?i=1000664642308

Ross Tucker:
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-real-science-of-sport-podcast/id1461719225?i=1000664021676

and Fiona McAnena:
podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-brendan-oneill-show/id1436524071?i=1000664725478

Carini's apology much like Roisin Murphy.

'Re sponsorship. When it's a brand like Coca-Cola how are they affected by this bad press. If they sponsor a woman who gets maimed or killed or a 'woman' who maims or kills this is not a great look for their product!

Can I ask about insurance? I can't see insurers being happy. If boxing promoters cannot insure events what happens? Or are boxers not insured?

Perhaps the transladies can box the gentlemen with XY chromosomes who have been AFAB, having a male DSD?

Most of these female athletes rely on sponsorship to compete and won’t risk losing them by standing down for a single competition. They risk not being able to compete in future and losing funding.

Pretty sure that Carini was pressured into apologising (to the man who punched her) and why there wasn’t a more general outcry from all the female athletes.

Neither of the male boxers lost a single round in the entire comp, both won golds, pushing every other female down the rank, as well as subjecting them to hateful ridicule for not being ‘better boxers’.

….no doubt emboldened by the IOC stance, this absolute fantasy piece was written by a trans woman justifying their inclusion in the female category, void of any balance whatsoever and promoting the latest male athlete muscling in on the female disability category at the Paralympics.:

www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a61827071/transgender-women-olympics-paris/

Men kill other men in the ring regularly. It's a dangerous sport and always has been.

I can't see any man, boxer or trainer, in my old gym ever being prepared to put a female boxer into such a position - they used to dish out summary justice to the men who were enjoying sparring with a female partner a little bit too much, never mind this deathmatch shit.

Hopefully, there will be a wholesale refusal - champions and titleholders saying 'Nah, I want to box, not be murdered in front of my family, thanks', as no amount of #bekindoryoureanevilterf could realistically persuade somebody that they stand a chance against a male opponent in the same weight class and with an added 'interest' over and above the usual desire to box.

It might be that even the nutters recognise deep down that having a female killed or seriously injured) in a boxing ring would be bad publicity.

So I guess for them this policy upholds the principle that they "should" be able to compete but in reality the stringent conditions will likely prevent any actually doing so?

Yes. This.