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UtopiaPlanitia · 29/12/2023 22:42

RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 21:48

I think he’s likely seen the very high viewing numbers for lots of other YT channels’ interviews with Joyce, Linehan, and Boghossian etc on other channels

Nothing compared to the likes of Lex Fridman who has a wider net than 'heretics' but I suppose Triggernometry has demonstrated that there is a UK market if Gold can establish a distinctive niche.

I'd like a stronger UK presence. Helen Joyce and Maya Forstater would make good podcast anchors. I'd probably enjoy a podcast produced by whoever makes up Legal Feminists. Overall, I'm probably just demonstrating my ignorance of the podcast and influencer landscape in the UK.

Helen and KJK have both been interviewed by Meghan Kelly, and are mentioned often by her, so they have some level of name recognition with her audience - it probably makes them more attractive as guests for other podcasts who are heterodox or non-woke.

And I know Helen has been interviewed by Coleman Hughes, Peter Boghossian, and Jordan Peterson as well, so she’s making inroads with North Americans.

In the UK she’s tended to be on smaller podcasts but between Richard Dawkins, Triggernometry, and Andrew Gold (and the IEA) she’s building a presence over here. She’s often asked on for news commentary by LBC, Talk Radio, and GB News so who knows, some day the BBC might 'rediscover' her 🤷‍♀️🙄 and KJK is often asked to comment on those UK stations too.

I do like your idea of a Sex Matters podcast with Maya and Helen - one for their suggestion box??

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RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 21:48

I think he’s likely seen the very high viewing numbers for lots of other YT channels’ interviews with Joyce, Linehan, and Boghossian etc on other channels

Nothing compared to the likes of Lex Fridman who has a wider net than 'heretics' but I suppose Triggernometry has demonstrated that there is a UK market if Gold can establish a distinctive niche.

I'd like a stronger UK presence. Helen Joyce and Maya Forstater would make good podcast anchors. I'd probably enjoy a podcast produced by whoever makes up Legal Feminists. Overall, I'm probably just demonstrating my ignorance of the podcast and influencer landscape in the UK.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 29/12/2023 18:13

RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 14:59

He's click hungry. You could tell he still doesn't really get it.

I can understand the marketing drive to attract a solid base of subscribers from the outset and to grow to meet the YT monetisation algorithms.

https://twitter.com/AndrewGold_ok

It will be interesting to see if, and how, his perspective changes on this topic. Maybe it won't be until he interviews KJK. He certainly had plenty of food for thought with Helen Joyce.

I mentioned the faux-naïf angle because, iirc, Gold discusses Louis Theroux while talking to Sonia Poulson. In passing, Gold also mentions that he's got 3 books coming out, one in April (and that does look very interesting). It was fascinating to learn how the BBC will offer some documentary makers such a tiny amount for their work (less than it cost to make) and throw money at others.

I've watched a few so far and mostly found something to disagree with in all of them (bar Helen Joyce) but I've enjoyed that.

If he progresses like the Triggernometry boys it’ll be interesting to watch him peaking in real time. Although, he’s started with Helen Joyce, so maybe his trajectory will take less time than theirs did as they only got around to interviewing Helen this summer.

I think he’s likely seen the very high viewing numbers for lots of other YT channels’ interviews with Joyce, Linehan, and Boghossian etc on other channels and decided he wants in on that. It may also be that now that 'no debate' has less suppressive force he feels more inclined to tackle this topic that is in the media a lot more than it was years ago. At any rate, the more audiences that are exposed to reality (and the awesomeness of Helen Joyce ripping this ideology into shreds) the better.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 29/12/2023 17:00

Around the time they were discussing the noises, I needed to pause for a moment and Helen's face was just 😬😬😬

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RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 16:43

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 29/12/2023 16:20

That puzzled me. Not part of my lengthy experience of men’s changing rooms!

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The only time I've heard comparable reports has been on some of the former prisoner channels on YT. That's been more about the icky state of the showers and the position of the job of cleaning them in the prison job hierarchy and less about the noises (although they've not been popular).

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 29/12/2023 16:20

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 29/12/2023 15:31

Thanks for this. I absolutely love Helen Joyce and could listen to her all day.

That bit about noises in the showers, ewwwww 😬

That puzzled me. Not part of my lengthy experience of men’s changing rooms!

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 29/12/2023 15:31

Thanks for this. I absolutely love Helen Joyce and could listen to her all day.

That bit about noises in the showers, ewwwww 😬

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RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 14:59

He's click hungry. You could tell he still doesn't really get it.

I can understand the marketing drive to attract a solid base of subscribers from the outset and to grow to meet the YT monetisation algorithms.

https://twitter.com/AndrewGold_ok

It will be interesting to see if, and how, his perspective changes on this topic. Maybe it won't be until he interviews KJK. He certainly had plenty of food for thought with Helen Joyce.

I mentioned the faux-naïf angle because, iirc, Gold discusses Louis Theroux while talking to Sonia Poulson. In passing, Gold also mentions that he's got 3 books coming out, one in April (and that does look very interesting). It was fascinating to learn how the BBC will offer some documentary makers such a tiny amount for their work (less than it cost to make) and throw money at others.

I've watched a few so far and mostly found something to disagree with in all of them (bar Helen Joyce) but I've enjoyed that.

https://twitter.com/AndrewGold_ok

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ChanelNo19EDT · 29/12/2023 09:27

I watched that. He's changed his tune. About six months ago I suggest to him that he talk about this isssue and he was all ''wanna be kind''. So on the fence. He's click hungry. You could tell he still doesn't really get it.

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RethinkingLife · 29/12/2023 09:24

Helleofabore · 29/12/2023 08:50

This is a good primer for anyone who is new to the discussion of issues with prioritising gender over sex in all matters.

Yes. It may be faux-naïf but Andrew Gold is not knowledgeable on the topic (a sense of Triggernometry pre-KJK's interview) so it is a good primer for 'beginners'.

It's also very handy for the gems of brief, clear explanations for those who are feeling their way towards having conversations about it. E.g., how to handle the 'clownfish gotcha'.

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Helleofabore · 29/12/2023 08:50

This is a good primer for anyone who is new to the discussion of issues with prioritising gender over sex in all matters.

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