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Liz Fraser’s actions speak louder than words. Earlier this year we asked the question, Is Liz Fraser truly helping all women or just herself? We concluded, just herself. What do you think?

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 10:45

Liz Fraser boldly proclaims her mission to help women lead their best lives, presenting herself as a parenting expert, novelist and travel writer with wanderlust.

However, this prompts questions about whether she actively monetises these claims, potentially leading vulnerable individuals astray.

When one positions themselves as an expert in the public domain, people reasonably expect scrutiny and dialogue regarding their views and actions.

People have raised concerns about her Substack subscription promises not being fulfilled, potentially breaching consumer protection laws. This ongoing discussion aims to safeguard women from potential exploitation by someone in a privileged position.

Liz Fraser’s privilege, including her race, class, attractiveness, financial support, education and freedom from financial burdens, has granted her a prominent voice. This discussion explores whether her privileged position overshadows the voices of marginalised women.

Recent revelations about her personal life, including alleged affairs with married men and hurtful actions towards their spouses, have raised ethical concerns about her character and credibility as an influencer.

To assess the validity of her recent posts, it’s crucial to separate her personal life from her public work. Her public work being anything she advocates for direct or indirect financial returns.

This discussion seeks to comprehend the objectivity and authenticity of her work in areas such as domestic violence, parenting, mental health, neurodiversity, travel, running and holistic well-being.

It focuses on her recent postings without mentioning ex-partners or children by name and aims to ensure that all women have a voice beyond Liz Fraser.

Your voice is valid. You deserve to be listened to.

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 20:20

@GreekDogRescue @Tortiemiaw @Perfectlystill

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 20:19

Ok. This thread can now be found here: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4970651-liz-frasers-actions-speak-louder-than-words-earlier-this-year-we-asked-the-question-is-liz-fraser-truly-helping-all-women-or-just-herself-we-concluded-just-herself-what-do-you-think

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 19:45

@MidWineCent im asking for it to be moved. “Admin error” on my behalf. I apologise.

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 19:43

Ah @HoopLaLah, thank you. I will do.

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Helleofabore · 26/12/2023 15:39

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 26/12/2023 14:45

Still baffled as to why this is in FWR. Sex and gender rather than FWR chat

eyeballs Is this a thread that has been posted here for traffic? Mind you, it could be one of the most popular threads on the non-shunted board….

I guess the question is, is this person anything to do with the discussion about sex and gender? If so, I am all ears as to what she has done and why? If it is for traffic, it is a sure sign that the forced split was a failure as predicted from the start.

I must admit to not seeing many, if any, of those who pressured MNHQ for the split to post on that board. But maybe they all miraculously changed name.

MidWineCent · 26/12/2023 15:27

Yes @HoopLaLah I was waiting for OP to say that Liz Fraser's campaigns included trans-identifying males, in which case this thread would be relevant here.
It's an easy mistake to make @Variedviews but perhaps ask MNHQ to move it to Feminist chat or AIBU?

Askmeanything1 · 26/12/2023 15:26

Are you sure you're not providing free advertising? You're doing an awful lot of introducing her to people who have never heard of her.

HoopLaLah · 26/12/2023 14:57

Variedviews · 26/12/2023 11:01

Link to previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/4937436-is-liz-fraser-helping-all-women-or-just-herself

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Hi OP.

Your previous threads were in “Feminism: Chat”.

You might want to ask Mumsnet HQ to move this one to the same forum to make it easier for your group to find your latest thread.

This one has accidentally been posted in “Feminism: Sex and Gender Discussions” - which is why posters here are confused by the thread appearing here, as it’s off-topic for this forum.

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 26/12/2023 14:45

Still baffled as to why this is in FWR. Sex and gender rather than FWR chat

GreekDogRescue · 26/12/2023 14:32

pickledandpuzzled · 26/12/2023 11:01

The thing is, @Variedviews , you open the thread as though it’s about someone really significant. You make serious accusations about them, as though you hold them to a high standard because they are a role model.

Without the context of who they are it’s hard to have an opinion.

It sounds serious , but if her influence is so limited then is it really serious?

The thing is while this person may be of no significance to you, it will be to those of us who have been sucked in and exploited (financially and emotionally) by her.

Munsnet is a forum with 1000’s of different threads, I don’t expect each of them to be of interest to me and neither should you.

instead of expecting strangers to research for me, do your own, we are not your personal assistants.

pickledandpuzzled · 26/12/2023 13:40

That’s really helpful, and explains so much.

It may be worth including a ‘long running discussion thread’ in the OP, too, so clueless people like me don’t wander in all confused and bewildered!

I would say that we need to be much more savvy about subscriptions patrions and fundraisers.

People need to understand there’s no accountability. I’ve seen some appalling enthusiastic dodgy fundraising

duc748 · 26/12/2023 13:30

So that's what, three Liz Frasers now? Never heard of this one either, but unfortunately it seems a well-trodden path these days; get yourself a bit of SM notoriety, and then monetise it.

Intriguedbythis · 26/12/2023 12:05

@CostedStrikeRate yes she’s got two threads on there too. The reason it’s also widely shared on Mumsnet is some Mumsnet’ers were duped into paying Liz Fraser when she was asking donations claiming poverty as a single mother. But she turned out to own multiple properties outright. As her ‘niche’ has often been targeted to mothers , lots of us believe she should be widely shared on here. Especially as she presents herself as a ‘child expert/ parent expert’ on national TV. ( no one has ever been sure where she got these titles from- presumably because she wrote a book called yummy mummy?! A couple decades ago…) but anyway, that’s what she claims and operates under..

CostedStrikeRate · 26/12/2023 12:01

I'm only familiar with the Cocteau Twins LF.
But the one you describe... surely Tattle Life are aware of her too? But I guess you need an invite to that?

Intriguedbythis · 26/12/2023 11:59

Just want to check in and thanks to all for the side splitting posts on the other thread 😆 such brilliant ones. In a very busy period at the moment but really enjoying the hilarious threads regardless

Perfectlystill · 26/12/2023 11:51

Gosh MN is judgmental today. If you don't know (/of) her, scroll on by.

Thanks for starting the new thread OP. Freedom of speech is important, esp when used to expose those who solicit money from strangers without being entirely truthful.

LadyWithLapdog · 26/12/2023 11:47

I’ve never heard of her. Sounds like a chaotic life, despite the money.

SnowRoomAtTheInn · 26/12/2023 11:46

I’d never heard of her, either. She sounds ghastly. But lots of people (including famous people, business people, writers) are. The world is full of writers making up bullshit, people exploiting other peoples’ weaknesses to make money and ‘self help’ frauds.

I think if your end game is to stop her exploiting vulnerable people into giving her their money you are best to look at what she has actually done that’s illegal and report it to the relevant authorities.

Otherwise, this is just a personal attack and serves no real purpose other than venting.

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 11:37

@AlisonDonut, people have tried to.

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 11:36

Wrong Liz Fraser. That Liz Fraser is a legend.

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Tortiemiaw · 26/12/2023 11:35

As said, if it's a bit baffling, then go to other threads. There are lots of them that have 'regulars' who like to chat about stuff that has impacted their lives.
We do on these threads. If you want to catch up and join in, that's also fine.

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Variedviews · 26/12/2023 11:35

She follows a similar model to Jack Monroe.

She cried funds under false pretences.
She operates a blog subscription model, but never delivers.
She claims to be a long time victim of domestic violence but forgets to mention that the men she had relationships with who allegedly abused her were her friend’s husbands.
The book, Coming Clean, is apparently a love story. In her book, she claims she didn’t know the man, the father of her fourth child, was an alcoholic when she entered into a relationship with him. She says she didn’t even know what an alcoholic was.

Yet she’d been to the wedding of this man to his wife just months before and was counselling his wife about his drinking. She went to the wedding with her husband and three children. At this time she was in a long term, later it turns out to be toxic, relationship with the husband of another friend.

She left husband and 3 children to live with the newly wed alcoholic. They then Almost Immediately had a baby then leaving the 3 older children in Cambridge, moved to Venice. Neither had jobs there or knew anyone.

Long story short, it’s as far from the love story presented in the book, marketed by Bloomsbury or that has been the foundation to Liz’s money making schemes of the past few years.

To get financial contributions from hoodwinked, often DA victims, she’s claimed to be homeless. Unable to afford to feed her children or heat her house. The whole time living 10 minutes from her multimillion pound parents, owning two properties outright, renting these out snd in the past year alone, holidaying 10+ times. When her partner sobered up and left, she set about destroying him and then his new partners reputation. For whatever reasons, her ex was too untrustworthy to see their daughter for almost two years yet something recently happened and this was overturned snd she now is mostly with her father.

LF claims to have illnesses. In the last year even claiming her life is ebbing away snd then suddenly it’s not. All the while, innocent people but into her, give donations, but er books, rent her flat. Fine if they’re getting a return from this they’re happy with, but most aren’t. Almost all the people in the group have been stung by her.

like any thread on Mumsnet, this won’t be of interest to everyone. What we are is a community of women helping those without a voice.

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RandySavage · 26/12/2023 11:28

topnoddy

I like the stuff she did with the Cocteau Twins.

AlisonDonut · 26/12/2023 11:28

Variedviews · 26/12/2023 10:58

@AlisonDonut, as mentioned to @BettyFilous, if you don’t know her then there is no need to concern yourself. You seem rather angry today. Can I help?

Do you know her then?

If you do, why not pick up the phone and give her a call and sort it out between you rather than rant about her on here?

topnoddy · 26/12/2023 11:26

Wasn't she in the Carry On films ?