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Will Gender Ideology influence how you vote?

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Heylo · 25/12/2023 10:19

Hi, new to Mumsnet. Full disclaimer I have no kids yet but will start trying March 24 (lesbian with some embryos in the freezer!). I decided to join after the hilarious responses to the Dawn Butler debacle over the weekend.

I’ve historically been a Labour voter but I’m voting Tory next year because I’m concerned about women’s and children’s rights in relation to Gender Ideology. The lesbian scene especially has been culturally bulldozed by the new additions to womanhood & a lot of us (in our 30s) now self - exclude based on some of the militant trans rights activists (TRAs) pressuring women into taking on trans women as partners and socialise more closely with them. (Only media reporting on this is Telegraph & The Daily Mail. There has been a media blackout on this at the BBC and The Guardian). Actually a couple of women have tried to run same - sex speed dating nights but TRAs have sent them threats, doxxed them to their employers and called the venues to get the nights / events shut down. You can read more about that here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

Anyway sorry for the segue, my question is to anyone who is interested in answering- if you are historically a Labour voter would the Gender issue sway you to voting conservative?

its a big topic at the moment in Gender Critical lesbian and bi circles. Everyone is usually a Labour voter but we’re all worried about what craziness Keir Starmer is going to introduce re erasing women’s spaces. I was curious what Mumsnet users think as outside of lesbians you are the next group (parents) who are most affected by this.

Lesbian speed-dating event demands only 'adult human females' attend

Jenny Watson, 31, is in the midst of a transphobia row after insisting only 'adult human females' can attend a lesbian speed-dating event at the College Arms pub in Bloomsbury.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12401009/amp/Lesbian-speed-dating-event-sparks-transphobia-row-organisers-insist-adult-human-females-attend-popular-weekly-event.html

OP posts:
WarriorN · 26/12/2023 09:28

Yes that is true. But, moving forward, the background of a struggling nhs and education system, both of which are being essentially privatised and fragmented, is not decent one.

Labour will have to endorse the new nhs clinical guidelines which are already being implemented.

theDudesmummy · 26/12/2023 09:23

I am a socialist who has voted Labour at some critical times as obviously a socialist party vote is meaningless. I have no-one to vote for now, realistically. Highly GC, very left-wing and so anti-Brexit that I left the country so as to get my EU citizenship back. No-one represents me.

Floisme · 26/12/2023 09:15

I agree with some of what you say WarriorN but, if we're going to point fingers and talk about where the blame lies, then it was a Labour government that brought in the legislation that caused this mess.

WarriorN · 26/12/2023 09:06

No.

This is as much the tories' fault as it is Labour. In fact from an educational pov, in terms of the chaos of outside providers, charities and private companies delivering resources to schools, it is mostly their fault.

What we see now in terms of the rates of gender questioning children would have absolutely happened with either government. And just as many women would have been fighting for their children. The evidence of harm started from the whistle blowers inside the nhs. and parents, some academics etc.

But you could argue the toss that a stronger NHS and centralised better funded teaching would have been easier to rein back in. I don't think SEND and CAHMS would have been in the state it is. And lack of provision there has led to children finding solace in the cult.

I'm a member of the greens but would probably vote Labour in a GE. I feel there's enough evidence now that, should Labour get in, they'd be unable to ignore any of it.

Note that the shadow Labour Ed sec welcomes the trans guidance.

I also noted that hardly any Labour MPs were there to argue the toss with Kemi towards weeks ago. I personally believe that absence says something.

Rightsraptor · 26/12/2023 09:06

It will absolutely inform how I vote in any GE. Labour remain useless on this issue, while the LibDems & Greens are dangerous on it. The Conservative party I can't forgive because they brought about the bulk of this mess, even if they are now reverse-ferretting.

If the SDP stand locally, they will get my vote.

HagoftheNorth · 26/12/2023 08:59

And that makes complete sense 💐

MarjorieDanvers · 26/12/2023 08:46

No - unfortunately there are TRAs in all of the UK’s political parties - but I will not vote for a bunch of incompetent and morally bankrupt fraudsters who have ground this country to its knees solely for their own advantage with not a care for the average woman.

HagoftheNorth · 26/12/2023 08:33

Marjorie, yet you’re happy to support the likes of Lloyd Russel-Moyle? Don’t pretend any of this is an easy/obvious choice!

MarjorieDanvers · 26/12/2023 08:27

I’ll be voting labour - really can’t understand how any GC person could vote Conservative who support the likes of Jamie Wallace! And that’s just for starters! But hey you stay on your high Tory horses!

HagoftheNorth · 26/12/2023 08:24

I would make a plea for people not to spoil their ballot papers.

It doesn’t make any difference, and it just means your choice isn’t counted. I know that the choices are awful, but one of them will be in power, and your vote, whether you choose to use it or not, will influence the outcome - it’s very rare that any candidate gets so many votes that they couldn’t have been beaten if the turnout was higher.

Alternatively of course, consider trying to find and support a local independent to stand - if my choices were all as dire as some of the Green Party candidates, this would start to look like the only sane response!

Igmum · 26/12/2023 08:19

Welcome to the nest of vipers @Heylo! I've been a single issue voter on this for some years now. Traditional Labour voter with a tradition of Labour activism in the family. I have spoiled my ballot for this (wrote a suffragette slogan on it) then was relieved to have an SDP (Social Democratic Party - not in Scotland honest!) candidate standing who I could vote for. Really not sure I could ever vote Tory and I felt so guilty spoiling my ballot. The problem is there aren't enough of us. So many people swallow this down for the other policies. I see why, have done this myself for other issues, but on this I just can't

anyolddinosaur · 26/12/2023 07:30

Journalists should not permit the other parties - important to ask Lib Dems too - to weasel out of a straight answer. Do they believe children need to be safeguarded from this ideology or not?

Floisme · 26/12/2023 07:25

Anyone seen Starmer comment on the schools guidance yet, surely journalists should be asking the labour party stance on that?
I've not seen anything from Starmer but Bridget Phillipson (Shadow Education Minister) was asked about it and she answered that Labour welcomed it. The clip's on YouTubs. Posters have pointed out that she was referring to the consultation and not the guidance itself.

Bingobatman · 26/12/2023 06:46

I think it’s going to have to be a Tory vote. I’ve been emailing our Lib Dem MO for years and she hasn’t even bothered replying. Useless.

anyolddinosaur · 26/12/2023 06:41

Always been an "anyone but the tories" voter but I cant vote Labour while they are failing to safeguard children and the Lib dems and greens are a bigger disaster. So it's either vote for the tories or spoilt ballot paper.

The schools guidance was a start but the tories still have to convince me they will really sort out this issue. There needs to be more real progress before the next election or I'll be spoiling my ballot paper. Anyone seen Starmer comment on the schools guidance yet, surely journalists should be asking the labour party stance on that?

In 91 constituencies the choice is really libdem or conservative and as labour may need to govern with lib dem help in those constituencies I'd have to support voting conservative.

Itsadilemma · 26/12/2023 00:29

I will more than likely be spoiling my ballot with a very clear message. In the past I've mostly voted labour, greens or Lib Dem for tactical reasons but I can't bring myself to vote for any of them and I won't vote Tory. I hoped it wouldn't come to this. I wonder if enough of us declare our intention to spoil our ballots, would they take notice?

TrainedByCats · 26/12/2023 00:14

I’ve been spoiling my vote after a run of Labour votes but this is a constituency that could turn Lib Dem from Con. so I’ll be voting Tory next time.

Labour and Lib Dem have been very clear they don't want women like me voting for them. Why would I have so little regard for my self worth by voting for a party that doesn’t want my vote?

Villagetoraiseachild · 26/12/2023 00:08

It's all hypothetical if you're living in either a deep dyed red or blue constituency. You can only play the field in front of you and in my case it's deep dyed red. I respect it matters in the marginals tho, big time.

Floisme · 25/12/2023 23:24

I'm so sorry this is happening to you op, it's appalling.

I don't intend to vote Conservative myself but I don't criticise anyone who does and I would ignore anyone who tries to make you feel guilty about it. All any of us can do is make the best decision we can.

SidewaysOtter · 25/12/2023 22:49

I didn’t think I’d come to voting Tory but I’m prepared to, to keep Labour out. My local (Tory) MP is fairly GC and that’s enough for me.

Heylo · 25/12/2023 21:59

Hi thanks all for your well thought out replies. I know the Tories aren't concerned about women and their policies hit women most of all eg public spending cuts/ zero hour contracts. I see the opening up as women's spaces & the terrorising of women giving their opinion on this - the social ostracising, the doxxing of employers as the priority. Somebody posted earlier an excellent point that if women no longer exist in name how can we fight everything else eg cuts / policies that impact us. I think this is a an urgent issue and I understand why a lot of people see it as a 'smaller issue'. I really want to emphasise that these groups of activists are shutting down social groups of lesbians trying to meet without transwomen. I think about what that will look like on a wider scale for women in general, not just lesbians. When there is no option to meet without transwomen present.

Are you familiar with reduxx? They report on a lot of these issues reduxx.info

My Mum would turn In her grave if she knew I was going to vote Tory, but I can't ignore this single issue.

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WaterThyme · 25/12/2023 21:46

I am in Scotland. I’m very left wing. In the past I have voted Labour, SNP (when they looked more left than Labour) and LibDem when they promised PR and reduction of tuition fees. Ha!

After all the things that have gone wrong under the SNP I expect there’ll be a big swing against them in the next election.

I will try to find a candidate who personally promises to stand up for women’s rights regardless of party loyalty and is not a Tory. Ideally one with a chance of getting elected. Failing that, I hope Alba will stand a candidate. Failing that I will spoil my ballot paper again.

ilovesooty · 25/12/2023 21:25

SirChenjins · 25/12/2023 21:19

I don’t care if it’s heaving or not - how others vote is their business. The OP asked whether gender ideology would influence the way we’d vote and I replied.

Edited

Of course it's their business how they vote.

Yes the OP asked a question. You replied, and so did I.

SirChenjins · 25/12/2023 21:19

I don’t care if it’s heaving or not - how others vote is their business. The OP asked whether gender ideology would influence the way we’d vote and I replied.

ilovesooty · 25/12/2023 21:09

SirChenjins · 25/12/2023 20:57

Your right, there hasn’t been .

He has been clear about what a woman is though - unlike Starmer. If Starmer gets his act together then I will vote for Labour as normal, but he’s got a lot of work to do to sort out the mess in his party.

Edited

Whatever Sunak desperately latches onto to make himself remotely credible to certain factions of the electorate really isn't of much interest to me quite frankly. I don't think he gives a toss about people in general including women and I don't believe a word he says anyway.

In any case I don't think gender ideology will be much of a factor in the election when it happens, however much it's promoted on Mumsnet. I really don't believe the electorate is heaving with women who are going to vote Conservative because "they know what a woman is".