Will Gender Ideology influence how you vote?

Basically all politicians even the ones who pretend TWAW know what a woman is. They all know so if they’re saying TWAW they either think men’s hurty feels matter more than women (thereby of course showing they know exactly who women are) or they’re prepared to tell basic flat out lies if they think that’s what the party faithful want.

Neither is a good look

That's exactly what worries me and why I won't touch Labour now even though I'd voted for them all my adult life.

I don’t disagree with pp’s who dislike the current gov’s influence on the country.

Equally, I can see the damage this ideology has done eg in Canada, Australia and (now being addressed?) NZ. I see anguished posts here from parents of teenagers caught up in this mess. I worry that it will become illegal to name ourselves & claim our rights as women, that there will be women who can’t access any public services.

Even if you believe Labour would make the country better for (some) men (not convinced if you’re the father of a teenager transitioning without your consent, or the husband of a wife attacked in hospital) would it really be better for women & children? What when the next generation is indoctrinated? Is it possible to row back?

I won't vote Labour, which probably means I won't vote. Though if I were in a constituency with an openly GC candidate I would vote for them even if Labour, Green, Lib Dem. Possibly even if Tory, depending on their wider political outlook.

I think from my point of view, Labour and the Lib Dems' stance on gender issues isn't just a single issue, it's what it says about their mentality in all sorts of other ways.

We know that both have benefited from substantial donations from shady organisations with a vested interest in promoting gender ideology. We know that both are prepared to say that black is white if it benefits them in some way, so we have to assume that they would lie about just about anything else too. We know they have contempt for women and ordinary voters, dismissing people raising legitimate concerns as stupid bigots rather than listening to them. And we know that they have displayed alarmingly authoritarian tendencies (see Nadia Whittome's comments, for example) suggesting that not only are they prepared to pretend to believe absolute nonsense, they may indeed make it illegal not to pretend to believe.

Those attitudes have no place in a democracy. I don't believe they could be trusted to run a bath, let alone a country.

The Lib Dems, of course, can be as batshit as they like because they'll never actually have to run the country.

And the Labour front bench is largely made up of people with absolutely no experience in government because the vast majority of them were elected post 2010, including Keir Starmer. So their only real experience in politics is shouting from the opposition benches about how awful the Tories are. Yes, we need to fix the economy and the NHS and all the rest of it. I don't dispute that. But are Labour capable of doing that? No, quite frankly, I think they are a bunch of clowns.

Just for the benefit of anyone reading, this poster is a trans woman.

I would not be voting against anyone who supports gender ideology just for gender ideology’s sake though. Those who support it support censorship, discrimination, lies, indoctrination in schools and anti scientific nonsense. And they support totalitarianism. There is no other way it can be enforced on us. Gender ideology is just the canary in the coal mine.

Yes, this is a key voting issue for me. I have ruled out voting Labour, Lib Dem or Green because of it. Don't yet know if I can bring myself to vote Tory but I won't do anything to help prevent the Tory candidate from winning.

Can you share any of them?

All I can recall is her fumbling badly a couple of years ago when asked whether only women have a cervix. Have you seen anything else?
Re Rachael Reeves, no not publicly, just comments from people who know her a bit.

And the people suffering most in the economic circumstances of the UK at the moment we know are going to be heavily women, the disabled, the minority groups
Yes, and I would add the poor/ not wealthy of both sexes, including all the children trapped in poverty to this list.
the ones being excluded and disappeared from public life by gender ideologists and identity politics.
If you mean people like Rosie Duffield, yes, I agree, gender dissenters are being excluded. It's wrong. But so is what is happening to the country as a whole.
It's got absolutely bog all to to with tribalism, at least from my end. I don't have any left/ right identity and vote based on what is ultimately going to cause the least pain to the largest number of people. I have A LOT of issues with Labour, not least how patronising they are to working class voters and how unsupportive of social mobility. . It's a sad state of affairs, but I can't throw the majority under a bus by allowing the current government back in. Anything has to be better than this, even if it's just a bit less shit.

I will vote not vote for an MP that supports gender ideology. That means in my constituency I will vote Tory. If I was in Caroline Nokes’ constituency I would vote SDP or some weird fringe party as a protest.

No way Rachel Reeves is buying into all the gender nonsense, and she will be a key player in future government.
I agree she's likely to have a key post which is why I'm keen to learn what she might have said. All I can recall is her fumbling badly a couple of years ago when asked whether only women have a cervix. Have you seen anything else?

Your middle class comfy lesbians wanting social clubs might argue that their main interest is retaining being able to be homosexual thanks.

And the people suffering most in the economic circumstances of the UK at the moment we know are going to be heavily women, the disabled, the minority groups, the ones being excluded and disappeared from public life by gender ideologists and identity politics .

It's important to step aside from the tribalism, and to stop falling for the comfortable cover lines and fig leafs - which largely silence and dehumanise the groups that identity politics likes silenced and dehumanised - and start listening to what women are saying about this.

I am someone who believes in actual left politics as opposed to a group identifying as left who believes in some really bloody scary things.

No way Rachel Reeves is buying into all the gender nonsense, and she will be a key player in future government. I just don't understand how anyone can willingly put an X next to a Tory candidate, with all they stand for, after what they have done to the UK.
Totally agree with Warrior about the effects of cuts to CAHMS and other frontline services. In theory, including men as being women does make the category of women meaningless, yes, so I understand the passion to stop that happening. But, I would choose a functioning health/ school/ transport/welfare system over a system that actively attacks anyone who is not rich, even while admitting that women don't have penises.
Yes I would rather a single sex hospital ward. But the stark choice is, in reality, a hospital bed where the person in the next cubicle might be a man, or no hospital bed.
Reality sucks, but at this stage, voting on principle is fiddling while Rome burns. I do definitely get the sense from a lot of FWR that posters are living a nice comfy life and that the harsh realities of Tory trashed UK just haven't really seeped through to them. It's bad out there, really, really bad, and it could get so much worse. Ultimately whether lesbians can have social clubs isn't high on my list of priorities, sorry if that's harsh, it's just that people are actually dying as a direct result of the actions of this government.

I don't think Alex Sobell is front bench but yeah, Yvette Cooper us shadow Home Secretary so I'd expect her to have a big job in a future cabinet. Thanks

Labour expelled GC women

From my perspective, because Momentum became a hard left rot in the Labour Party, in response to the tories being in power. As the T was embedding itself into LGB, it was absorbed into left leaning politics. And so Labour was completely captured.

When governments swing to more hard right positions, oppositions swing initially to hard left but only manage to return to power when they become more centralist. That has happened for both Labour and the tories in the last few decades.

What was missing was the scientific evidence. NHS whistleblowers, parents and litigation cases aren't going away anytime soon.

As things stand, gender ideology will absolutely influence my voting decision. I wish I didn't have to risk making a less than ideal decision in other areas to protect women's rights that were won in the past and are now under threat. But if legislation allowing males to be regarded as women whenever it suits them is introduced it may be impossible to roll it back.

I still haven't decided who I'll vote for. My parents in Scotland, who are in their eighties and aren't prepared to be gaslit about gender, plan to switch from SNP to Alba. My local MP is uncompromisingly GC but is a Conservative who has made questionable decisions on other issues. I'd like a Labour candidate I can trust enough to vote for, but need to wait and see who the party selects and then ask questions. Any other party would be a wasted vote at present.

Can someone enlighten me about Labours actual policies on other matters, they seem hard to find.

Is Alex Sobel still on the front bench? Also TWAW.

Yvette cooper will probably move to the front benches. Shell probably continue to pretend nothing is happening.

I'd really like to get a firmer grip on where the shadow cabinet ministers stand on this, given there's a strong chance that many of them will be leading the next government.

From what I can recollect, these have been vocally TWAW:
Angela Rayner (deputy leader)
David Lammy
Lisa Nandy

And then there's
Anneliese Dodds (shadow minister for women) repeats the party lines but nothing I've seen from her suggests that she understands any of it.

Wes Streeting - hostile to us in the past but since backtracked.

I think I remember Rachel Reeves trying to dodge the question and looking ridiculous.

Anyone know about the others? I'm far more concerned about where the possible future cabinet stand than I am in comedy tweets from back benchers.

It would be interesting to know the same about the current government cabinet too, although I've less skin in that game myself as I don't intend voting for them.

Labour expelled GC women, so i dont see how a labour government would have made schools and nhs less full of gender ideology?

To be fair, i dont think the leadership of either party understand the damage gender ideology has done. The first thing needed is to clarify and justify the GRA and PC of GR, and i dont see any politicians doing that, just faffy around at the edges. Its those two acts that have force the ideology into institutions not the political party governing.

The only advantage to conservatives over other parties is that they allow women to speak about the damages gender ideology. Without allowing GC views to be aired, labour cant sort out this problem.

I am in an area where the Lib Dem's are really pushing hard to get rid of a very well known Tory MP.

I just couldn't vote Lib Dem for an MP though. They are so very fucking weird.