Will Gender Ideology influence how you vote?

Love the idea of a tactile voting site. Fluffy or knobbly, perhaps.

I suspect self ID. Just look at Labour in Wales.

Cross post with Rex who said it so much better!

Floisme you’re right, Starmer might feel more confident once he’s won the election; but I’m not sure whether his confidence will be expressed as supporting women’s rights, or introducing self id, and everything which goes with that. I really wish he’d make it clear!

Yes. In answer to the question.

I've been trying to figure out what it is that really bothers me so much about Labour and this issue. It could be the Facebook group, the money from GLAAD (and Ferring re the LDs), Starmer's hostage video for Penis News which he has not distanced himself from, Dawn's attempt to have us all arrested, or the Official Silence in opposition on this issue, or even the whipping to vote for the GRR in Scotland.

But often, the question is posed which might provide the answer. Which is: what's really the difference between Labour and the Tories? A key example is the two child limit.

And that - copying the same policy - sparked a thought today about their policy on immigration. They're planning pretty much the same policy. You could put a cigarette paper between the two. Speaking of which, they're so pro-telling you what to do that they'll copy the absurd smoking ban that raced up Sunak's list while breast binders and PBs and CSHs for kids all remain legal.

But on gender? No they do not say they will follow the emerging Tory line. They will not do the same thing. They won't even make sure their party leader meets the one MP who's been highlighting this issue largely alone.

I do understand the anger towards the Tories on this as they have been in government. However, I always place it in the global context where we've managed to have a stay of execution. But I do not and cannot understand the excuses rolled out for Labour or the wishful thinking that it'll all be grand when they're in government on this. I think it's dangerous in fact.

The inconvenient truth is that the signs are they will not protect women and children and we will go Full Canada. We will be disappeared as a sex class under Labour.

This is the thing.

The same way so many in professional positions are still unable to speak out - and yes it could be seen as cowardly; at the same time sometimes it bodes better to remain neutral or silent until you have more evidence to refer to.

I now feel more able to speak out at work and am finding the same amongst colleagues after the schools guidance. A Social worker on another thread said the guidance had impacted her and her colleagues in the same way.

I've been told by LGBA women that some Labour MPs are now far more GC but don't feel able to be vocal yet. Which is obviously a poor show for Rosie but progress.

A lot has happened in the last year though.

Either way, Tory or Labour, the pressure must be kept up on MPs. Who ever they are. I don't feel voting based on a single issues such as this is as effective as contacting your mp regularly about your concerns and experiences.

Yes

I can see the argument that Starmer might well feel more secure once in government, especially with a decent majority behind him. At the moment I imagine he's trying to avoid talking about it because he knows anything he says is going to piss off one faction or other. A good win would give him confidence. It's something I'm weighing up.

I dont follow how politicians are more able to speak out once they are the governing party?

Surely they are more pressured to follow party line, especially if they are part of the cabinet? Do you think Rosie Duffield would have recieved less hostility if labour were the government?

But in any case, what sort of politician sees the danger in gender ideology and says nothing about it?

Weird isn't it?
I'm the same.

I intend to vote Tory for the first time ever.
Labour and the alternatives are entirely captured with false and dangerous beliefs.

In that case I'm hoisted by my own petard so my apologies @rockstairshoes

I don't see much point in waiting till they're already power before lobbying though. The time you're most likely to have any influence is surely before an election while they still need your vote.

We have...she's not interested. I will always vote for the candidate rather than the party going forward. You need to respect and have some faith in your MP.
I'll be spoiling. I live in a safe Labour seat - and used to be a party member - but most Labour party members cannot be trusted on this issue.

It will influence my vote in that I cannot vote for my local Labour MP - who is full on TWAW and with a Mermaids logo at the the top of her twitter feed. She has refused to meet with her constituents on this issue, and her office manager is horrible.So it will be a spoiled ballot agan for me. If I had a Labour MP I could trust on this issue I'd vote for them. Ex Labour party member.

If a politician cannot speak out about gender ideology when they are in opposition, they arent going to do so when they are in government.

I see it as the opposite; MPs are more able to speak out and make changes when they're in power, especially when you've an evidence base.

This has been a uniquely problematic position to take. Normal rules have not applied.

I'm going to use one of the tactile voting sites & vote for whoever can get them out - I'm in what was a safe Tory seat but with HS2 ripping the town in 2 literally I think there is a chance of getting them out!

Then I will lobby my MP on GC issues! Whichever party they are!

I can't bear another 5 years of these fuckers. I live in a safe Tory seat so I'm tempted to spoil my ballot paper - don't know if anyone will read it though.

I posted earlier on the thread too Flo so I have followed it & I get how strongly people feel about this!

But I am incensed by James Cleverly's comments, he's the Home Secretary! & the fact that Sunak has expressed ' every confidence in him'!

I agree with everything Kemi Badenkch says on the issue but that is the only thing I agree with her on!

I know people are struggling with being politically homeless, so am I but I absolutely know that we can't have another 5 years of what we have had!

Maybe if you'd bothered to read the thread properly first you'd have realised that there's been a range of views expressed on here.

Interventions that do little other than try to make everyone feel guilty for even talking about it are a good demonstration of why so many of us are so thoroughly disillusioned with the Labour and the rest of the centre left.

So you'd rather have this?

Lobby your Labour MP's, write to Starmer but don't condemn us to another 5 years of this please!

The gender question will be a factor in my vote in the next GE. Not the only factor, but a very important one. I do feel politically homeless and have done for a number of years. I'm in Beds, so recently had the joy of the absentee Dorries. Lib Dems really got my back up by campaigning on 'vote for us, we don't think labour can win'. I just want parties to campaign on their policies. And then stick to them! But it really does feel like it's too much to ask. I voted Labour, couldn't vote for Tories who let Dorries behave how she did with no repercussions. If I behaved like that in my job I would've been fired in a heartbeat.

I'm really hoping for some clarity and better policies over the next few months, otherwise I will remain at a loss, and I can't not vote or spoil my paper so I'm not actually sure what I will do.

To all those saying their vote doesn't count, this is the primary reason it doesn't, because you believe it to be so. If you vote, it counts.

THIS

If a politician cannot speak out about gender ideology when they are in opposition, they arent going to do so when they are in government. Especially when their party is somewhere between being all in with the ideology and not wanting to talk about it.

Labour woman had nothing to lose for the last 5 years, but still didnt say much. What are they going to say next year they could lose a place in the cabinet?

I'm hoping more tories speak out in the nrxt parliament and be the opposition labour couldnt be.