Will Gender Ideology influence how you vote?

I think you’re right Zutt, even a GC cabinet will struggle to change attitudes which are embedded eg in the NHS. We need to have people willing to challenge this at all levels. We are starting to get the case law in place to support people to do this. However, gov legislation could make this either very much easier, or impossible, depending on which way the cabinet leans

The Tories know who women are and hate them.

”Hate” is a strong, if not hyperbolic word there. Care to evidence this “hate”?

The problem government has its thats lots of organisations and departments are too arms length away for politicans to do anything about. The cabinets power is to write letter that civil servants, police, teachers and the nhs can ignore.

Remember i think it was Braveman telling police to stop recording non crime hate incidents because they arent legal, and then the police, months later recording Rachel Maclean calling a man in a wig a man in a wig as a non crime hate incident?

Lots of teachers are vocal about refusing to comply with any new guidance around children with gender confusion, despite knowing the recommendations in the cass report.

This isnt going to change with a labour government. Whats needed is change within these institutions probably as a result of legal action.

Gender ideology isnt a left or right wing , but the attitude of the government can aid or hinder safeguarding and womens rights. I really fear labour will enforcing a silence around criticism of anyone with more hate speech legislation. So rather than get to the root cause, they will make more laws that will, in effect, be more obstacles for women to navigate.

Also, ive being hearing from various labour adjacent womens groups that the leadership of the labour party is GC, for years. Yet still the best the leadership has said is the 99% of women dont have a penis. The leadership is lying to the womens groups or the womens groups are lying to us. No one who understands the issue would say such a ridiculous, side stepping remark.

I have been a teacher for 25 years. I can not vote for the Tories on any women's issues. Their decimation of public services have an impact on women. I'm a secondary teacher and we provide period products to our students which comes out of our already meagre budget. The Tories know who women are and hate them.

I love Mumsnet - it's incredible. The spirit of womanhood and sister solidarity on here is alive and well!

Absolutely, and that's why misogynists and mediocre professionals (like Dawn Butler) hate it. Witty and intelligent women lifting each other up and reinforcing the idea that women are not support humans despite the actions indicating they are from all around us, all who benefit from that being the case (politicians, certain middle class professions, abusive men). Letting each other know that we count too, are fully human and have the right to 'be kind' to ourselves first.

The Tories (and it's a low bar) are less hypocritical - they at least pretty much openly agree with allowing the rich to get richer no matter the cost and with little control on the methods of doing so. They are also not so keen on totalitarian control of speech and thought, which leaves some wriggle room for normal people to have their views heard.

Yes. The Tories are largely self interested but they don't try to posit themselves as the goodies. Labour are similarly self interested but identify as the goodies and also require obeisance and genuflection to Right Thinking.

Agree,
While we're distracted by the noises of parliament and the glamour of the royals, we're getting our rights pick-pocketed by the people behind the scenes.
We are so fortunate for the energetic and bright women who brought this to our attention before we lose it all.

Welcome @Heylo - your opening post is really terrifying.

It is awful how 'progressives'/ the Labour party keep offering up lesbians as unconsenting support humans for abusive men. Because that's what I see happening.

I certainly will stand with lesbians in pushing back against this. The way Allison Bailey was treated during her court case should have been a wake up call but seemingly wasn't enough of one.

Keep on going. And I hope you are successful in having a baby next year; your MN account will be invaluable when your baby has green poo and you don't know why!

I think the majority of the Tories are awful, corrupt etc. (I would exempt Kemi Badenoch and a few others from this - there are a few who genuinely seem to want to do what's best for the country and its people)

I see no sign that Labour would be better and quite a few signs they'd be worse. A lot of Labour existing MPs got rich in the expenses scandal, flipping houses bought by their expenses etc whilst claiming to care about poor people. They also brought in PFI which has been a disaster for the NHS.

The Tories (and it's a low bar) are less hypocritical - they at least pretty much openly agree with allowing the rich to get richer no matter the cost and with little control on the methods of doing so. They are also not so keen on totalitarian control of speech and thought, which leaves some wriggle room for normal people to have their views heard.

The NHS is stuffed with left wing managers who spend millions on EDI initiatives whilst leaving basic care faltering and seemingly not caring that much about actual patients or frontline NHS staff. You only have to look at the Letby case to see how badly wrong this has gone.

We were all free to say Boris was a wanker, even when he was PM. I don't think people would be free to state facts or their own lived experience under Labour. To be honest, despite Tory governments, a lot of the public sector has been captured by those who claim to be on the left and 'progressive' for years. Their policies are very bad for poor people and in some cases downright insane 1984 territory (anyone who says so is a woman). However in the magical thinking department it's always only the 'in crowd' who are allowed to claim to be something they're not - your bog standard disabled person can't just claim disability benefits but has to prove it and in some cases gets their payments / support removed on the basis of very dubious procedure.

I think with Labour this would just get worse.

I don't really want a Tory government, I wish more independents would stand and Posie could get her Party of Women off the ground as honestly I'd vote Monster Raving Looney - as the most sane candidate - over either my current Tory MP or Labour / Lib Dem science deniers.

As so many eloquent pp's have stated, it's a single issue for me but the tip of an iceberg of related issues.
Tony Blair got in with a platform of 'people think they want change, but they're afraid of too much change.' He was right.
Politics is a poison chalice, the people that could solve these problems are the support team, civil servants and advisors, MP's are gatekeepers and spokespeople who sometimes but too rarely work hard for their constituents.
If you have a decent MP of any party, vote for them, join a party, support the groups that are tackling this issue. Please use your vote, even if it doesn't get your chosen candidate in.

I think history shows this is true.

I also think Labour will disappear us as a sex class, as I said upthread. The tangible reality of that means it will be lawful to discriminate against us. I absolutely will not ever vote for that.

Regardless of where anyone's allegiances lie, I think any government that wins multiple terms of office eventually runs out of steam and gets careless and indisciplined. It caught up with the Tory government in 1997 and with Labour in 2010.

My gut feeling is that we are all safer if labour is in power

Safer from what though? I think the Tories are tired from being in power too long. They have some policies I think are wrong. And frankly they should be doing far more over the capture of public bodies by genderists. I am not convinced they are especially corrupt compared to other parties though a spell out of power can help with that. But that is nothing compare to the totalitarianism, the censorship, the use of police to enforce specific creeds that Labour seems so beholden to.

I do think we need to look at the candidates themselves, not just the party. There are a few Labour MPs I would be pleased to vote for on this issue, and several Tories I would avoid. But after the experience in Holyrood, I would want to be confident a Labour MP would go against a whip.

I think the tories are despicable, immoral and dangerous. They've hurt this country in ways that will be hard to undo.

But Labour is not speaking for me either . I joined the party post Brexit and left recently because of their "Make Brexit work stance". Dawn Butler has only convinced me to stay out.

My gut feeling is that we are all safer if labour is in power and we all work hard and lobby to rejoin and to stop the gender insanity.

But it's not a hill I am happy to die on

I imagine the parties has profiled me as middle class older mum, staunch remainer and concerned about women's rights and decided my vote is not worth much.

Look at the Labour Members of the Women and Equalities committee. They have no intention of back-tracking.

I agree with the rest of your post Rebellious but let's not forget that the chair of that committee is a Conservative - Caroline Nokes - who has been pretty hostile to Kemi Badenoch.

I no longer believe this is a straight left/right issue and I think it's a mistake to treat it as one.

Is Dawn Butler your MP? If you live in Brent, please write to her expressing your feelings about her outburst.

This won’t influence how I vote, but only because Labour stand close to zero chance of being elected where I live.

Don't forget that Iain Anderson crossed the floor of the house to join Labour - with the specific intention of furthering the Stonewall agenda. I get it that people want to believe and so will do anything to evade and avoid that which is presenting itself very clearly.

Only a few weeks ago Lisa Nandy was being interviewed suggesting that we would all "look back and feel ashamed" at the way we rejected " trans rights". Michael Cashman sits in the lords and as with most of the other gay or lesbian Labour MPs is scathing about women who raise objections and concerns.

And let's not forget that not one person has stood up in public for Rosie Duffield - in fact Labour supporters are trying to get her ejected from the party.

Look at the Labour Members of the Women and Equalities committee. They have no intention of back-tracking.

On being arrested for internet WrongThink...imagine the Online Safety Bill in the hands of Dawn and co. Yes it is another example of an issue that's caused Tory splits/friction/delay. But they're at least mostly fearful of going all the way and making it possible for something like that to actually happen.

Exactly @SaffronSpice, it’s absolutely chilling.

Dawn’s outburst show the totalitarianism at the heart of this movement. She wanted police to investigate mums purely because someone told her that someone had posted something she disagreed with. She did not even look herself, let alone consider how arresting people for opinions was the work of states such as eastern Germany, China, or North Korea.

The thought of power being given to people who think this is acceptable is horrifying.

Yes it’ll definitely influence my vote. Dawn Butler’s little outburst reinforced that decision. I shudder to think of the damage to women’s rights we will suffer under labour, not to mention that I’ll probably end up in the clink for expressing my opinion.