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A very small one for the sisters

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viques · 23/12/2023 16:48

Queuing for the loo in Liberty’s yesterday. The signage is on the single external door is marked men and women but in fact they are fully enclosed cubicles so unisex. About six women waiting in the queue along the corridor, along comes a man, assumes that we are standing there for the good of our health and moves to skip the queue because let’s face it , men don’t queue.

“ Excuse me, dear, it’s a single queue.”

He had the grace to mumble an apology and join the end of the queue, but it brightened our hearts to see a table being turned, even ever so slightly.

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Slothtoes · 24/12/2023 21:44

Ugh.. that used to be a lovely place to browse.

CriticalCondition · 24/12/2023 10:39

I doubt that will ever happen though. For the reasons I mentioned above men simply don't need to use the toilet as much as women. Queuing for the loo is an everyday inconvenience for women out and about in public spaces. I think an assumption it will become the same for men is misplaced. My male family members need the loo far less when we are out together. I don't think the occasional inconvenience to men will have them writing letters of complaint. Certainly not enough to make a difference.

MisgenderedGiraffe · 24/12/2023 10:21

Indeed. When the lack of available toilets and large queues start to really annoy the men, something will be done.

DrBlackbird · 24/12/2023 10:05

I bloody hate the ‘progressive’ move to mixed sex toilets. Piss all over the seats and floors.

Only and always disadvantages women without thought or care for women’s privacy, dignity and safety. Usually done for financially advantageous reasons to the firm whilst shouting how progressive they are.

Men, however, are not used to waiting. They’ll be more of the barging past kind than the apologetically going to the back of the queue kind. Maybe they’ll start to complain and then companies will go back to single sex provision.

CriticalCondition · 24/12/2023 09:55

Yes, it was just off some very dark stairs, (beautiful dark oak panelling) but I don't know if there is more than one set of stairs. I think it was the second floor. I saw afterwards there was a sign pointing to more loos upstairs on a higher floor. I don't know if they were mixed or single sex.
Even if I'd clocked the signs above the doorway I think I would have assumed that the space would be divided beyond it into separate men and women. And judging from the reaction of the woman next to me, so did she.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 24/12/2023 09:45

Was the the loos just off the gloomy back staircase? I went there a few years back - yuk.

So many men wandered in, did a double take at the door sign then left. And yes, a man did march in, pass the queue of women and shoved his way into the next available cubicle.

CriticalCondition · 24/12/2023 09:37

I've also had recent experience of a bloke using the mixed sex loos at Liberty. I haven't been to Liberty for years and didn't realise they were mixed sex. The signs were together but high up over the open doorway as you came round a corner off the stairs. There was a female attendant attending to the disabled loo and a woman washing her hands in one of those long trough-like sinks. It was a very small space with just 3 cubicles. The toilets were occupied, there was no queue and I thought I'd reached 'the Ladies'. Until a man came out of one of them. There was now a queue of women behind me and I exchanged a kind of shocked glance with the woman next to me. I went to use the cubicle he'd just come out of. He had clearly just spent several minutes in there having a massive shit judging from the smell and state of the toilet bowl. I backed out and indicated to the next woman I was going to wait until the other cubicle was free. She shook her head and waited too. We both muttered in exasperation something along the lines of 'he shouldn't be here'.

Women need to use the loo more often and for longer for reasons associated with our sex. Periods, childbirth, menopause all have an effect. As does having to partially remove clothing and sit down to do our business.

But Liberty have to signal their progressiveness and women wait even longer to use a cubicle while a man literally shits all over their space.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 24/12/2023 08:39

We had this at a theatre I was at. Single sex loos replaced with a line of self contained cubicles. Many fewer loos, men having to queue with women. Quite apart from the wasted time, it all just felt rather icky. Also the (sometimes) camaraderie and chat in a women's loo queue was entirely absent.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 23/12/2023 16:54

It's a while since I've been to Liberty's. They used to have lovely loos, and plenty of them. They must have reduced provision considerably if there was a queue.

But if making men queue gets them on board for the pushback, that's a silver lining.