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Why are so many women hellbent on acting against their own interest?

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thedankness · 22/12/2023 15:39

From TWAW, pro "sex-work", "kinky sex" and porn, plastic surgery, accepting low standards in relationships with men, being anti-abortion to more trivial things such as wearing heels, and yes, shaving, and so much more, so many women will defend these things to the hilt. They refuse/are unable to see how these things are bad for themselves and/or women generally, even after presented with arguments. Obviously some people will disagree with points made in an argument, but I just don't see men subjugating themselves en masse like I do women.

I feel sad. Why can't we as women just love ourselves and look out for ourselves? I feel like we are groomed into self-hate. Is the notion of female self-acceptance and worth truly so radical that a significant number can't even fathom it as a possibility for themselves?

Why is it so common for women to act against their interest? And can or should we do anything about it?

This is a bit poorly-worded, have thoughts but am interested to hear others' opinions.

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ArabellaScott · 22/12/2023 15:58

Surely you've heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Women develop many, many ways to deal with subjugation. Enthsuastically going along with it is one of them.

Fynetanksfather · 22/12/2023 15:57

Who do you think you are! Why do you think that your opinion is the right one and everyone else has to agree. Love the ‘even after all the arguments have been presented to them’. Yeah, that is called ‘disagreeing’.

It sounds like you lack emotional intelligence. It doesn’t matter how tight you think your arguments are, if you ultimately think everyone who doesn’t agree with you is wrong, and aren’t open to considering other people’s opinions, values and perspectives, they will not be open to listening to you either.

It made me giggle that you sound so baffled and frustrated by this. Try reading something like ‘How to make friends and influence people’

PaperWalkAndTalk · 22/12/2023 15:54

This reads a lot like "I believe in all these things and if you don't you're acting against all women".

Mumoftwo1312 · 22/12/2023 15:48

Ps the people who will thrash you on here are the so called pro choice feminists. It's the ideology that anything is OK as long as you consent to it.

I'm of the more radical view that there are some things no one should expect someone else to consent to. They're just inherently exploitative. Like, say, choking during sex, or commercial surrogacy (arguably any surrogacy), or cannibalism. Remember that guy who got convicted of cannibalism who ate another guy's genitals with his "consent"? It was argued in court that you just can't consent to that. I can't remember the criminal's name and I'm afraid to google it

HagoftheNorth · 22/12/2023 15:48

I agree with everything on your list OP

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/12/2023 15:45

I think there are some very relevant questions there but as pp said, put on your hard hat!

Mumoftwo1312 · 22/12/2023 15:44

I agree with you but prepared to get thrashed.

I feel most strongly about make up - it just baffles me how society has got to the point where a huge majority of women feel they need to edit their face for it to be aesthetically adequate, but only a tiny minority of men do.

I remember two of my bridesmaids telling me I was "brave" not to wear make up on my wedding day. So rude honestly! No one thought my dh was brave to go around with his ordinary face!

I recently had a c section and was googling hospital bag lists, astounded that make up "for going home" was on some of them, literally the last thing on my mind (or anyone's, surely) was what I looked like

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