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HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:26

I wonder if dad need disabled loos (if he has accessibility issues)?

How would he feel if he needed to use the loos and found himself at the end of a queue of able bodied ‘gender neutral’ people who declared their need greater than his because they have been told constantly how special they are?

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:26

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:24

How many school girls ‘feel like a girl’ anyway? I have never understood ‘womaning’ to be honest. I certainly can’t even begin to know what ‘feeling like a boy’ is.

It’s such a bizarre thing the laws have introduced for children

We should have concentrated on giving more flexibility to what a girl or boy can be and do

But not change sex

AlisonDonut · 19/12/2023 08:25

Imnobody4 · 18/12/2023 21:37

Awful piece on Sky News
https://news.sky.com/story/liverpool-school-makes-up-own-positive-transgender-policy-ahead-of-government-guidance-13033487

A school has said it is not going to change its policy on transgender pupils despite new government guidance on how teachers should support children who question their gender identity.
Chesterfield High School in Liverpool - a mixed comprehensive with 1,600 pupils with about 30 of them identifying as transgender, non-binary or genderfluid - has said it has made up its own policy while waiting for government guidance.

"I'm not going to change what has worked for our school for the last 10 years," Kevin Sexton, its executive headteacher, told Sky News.

His argument seemed to be that if they don't keep up the social transitioning, the kids wont attend school.

Probably best thing for them, not attending your school mate. As you seem happy to lead kids down a very dark path.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:24

How many school girls ‘feel like a girl’ anyway? I have never understood ‘womaning’ to be honest. I certainly can’t even begin to know what ‘feeling like a boy’ is.

Thingybob · 19/12/2023 08:23

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:22

She just needs to use the female toilets. That’s what will keep her safer.

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But then she wouldn't be special and her dad wouldn't get an interview on Radio 4

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:22

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:21

Which is problematic too to be honest but if it keeps a girl safer than going into the boy's, it will have to be the way.

She just needs to use the female toilets. That’s what will keep her safer.

InefficientProcess · 19/12/2023 08:21

Tbh, I doubt the boys toilets in DS’s secondary school even have urinals. The toilets have an entirely wall into the corridor, so both boys and girls just have cubicles.

His dad and I were horrified about the toilets really. And also what it says about behaviour and safety generally that the school have opted for toiletopticons.

Still doesn’t mean that the toilets shouldn’t just be sex based. And the disabled toilets for disabled people.

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:21

Which is problematic too to be honest but if it keeps a girl safer than going into the boy's, it will have to be the way.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:20

I think it was because his son felt bad, wouldn’t go to the loo during school and he wanted that to change

(Not sure if girl or boy)

Thingybob · 19/12/2023 08:19

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:15

I thought he wanted sign to say gender neutral & disabled?

He said "all it needs is putting a gender neutral sign next to a disabled toilet" so maybe he wants both signs or maybe just one.

ResisterRex · 19/12/2023 08:19

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:15

I thought he wanted sign to say gender neutral & disabled?

Yes. Which does change the sign IMO. It's no longer just for disabled people is it?!

NeedToKnow101 · 19/12/2023 08:17

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:15

I thought he wanted sign to say gender neutral & disabled?

He did say that.

EasternStandard · 19/12/2023 08:15

I thought he wanted sign to say gender neutral & disabled?

Thingybob · 19/12/2023 08:13

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:10

Was he suggesting put gender neutral next to disabled??

He contradicted himself hugely

No just to change the sign

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 08:10

Was he suggesting put gender neutral next to disabled??

He contradicted himself hugely

HoneyButterPopcorn · 19/12/2023 08:06

I was wondering too about the disabled dad who said that his child should just use disabled loos… oh the irong (child is not disabled).

The child doesn’t want to use the loos because they aren’t disabled and know they aren’t entitled to use them. The child is biologically female - the ‘be kind’ sex. Funny that.

This child is at risk in mens loos and changing areas. In school is one thing - but when they go out?

What about the boys? They don’t really want girls wandering past urinals, sharing showering/changing areas. What about their feelings (not to mention fear of being accused of sexual abuse etc)?

Thingybob · 19/12/2023 08:06

ResisterRex · 19/12/2023 07:51

Agreed. Couldn't understand if the parent of a son had a boy who id'd as a girl or not. Also couldn't understand if the father did or did not object to labelling disabled loos differently / with an additional label.

The mother they had on before was very clear in her experience.

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I think the 2nd parent had a daughter who identified as a son. The parent wasn't stupid enough to want their 12 yo female child using the boys toilet but didn't want the child to use a disabled toilet. The solution they suggested was to add a gender neutral sign next to the disabled toilet so the child would use the disabled toilet but it would ok if it had a different sign outside. What an idiot, how did we get here?

ResisterRex · 19/12/2023 08:03

Has anyone any examples of schools or government guidance that is "seeking to be oppositional or adversarial" as per the comment of the school rep they had on?

ResisterRex · 19/12/2023 07:51

BettyFilous · 19/12/2023 07:37

The R4 coverage will be waking up a large swathe of the population to what’s going on in our schools. Many will be surprised to hear school representatives leading the charge with parents almost as an afterthought.

Agreed. Couldn't understand if the parent of a son had a boy who id'd as a girl or not. Also couldn't understand if the father did or did not object to labelling disabled loos differently / with an additional label.

The mother they had on before was very clear in her experience.

BettyFilous · 19/12/2023 07:37

The R4 coverage will be waking up a large swathe of the population to what’s going on in our schools. Many will be surprised to hear school representatives leading the charge with parents almost as an afterthought.

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 07:06

They will be interviewing a parent at 7:30

What's annoying me about Lucy Lakin, a principal who is talking, is that she seems to be saying that schools have been dealing with this and can manage safeguarding- without acknowledging that this is a new issue that's not been recognised as being safeguarding issue.

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 07:00

No 6:53.

It's mentioned as the headline at 6:44

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 06:58

Latest segment Starts at 6:44 on today programme

WarriorN · 19/12/2023 06:55

Thanks!

Madcats · 19/12/2023 06:48

R4 have been covering this in their news headlines since coming on air this morning. Today are planning to interview a teacher shortly.

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