Taxpayer-funded children's show with 'trans voices' branded tasteless

*for adult women, I’m convinced there’s a link to trauma. For children/teens, it’s absolutely linked to being ND and highly suggestible. This is why the regressive tsunami of T’ness spreading via SM, education, health care, films, arts etc is so damaging.

I'm trans because my gender doesn't match what I was assigned at birth, but I also have no gender, so I'm non-binary. I'm trans non-binary.

Am also confused by the conflation of these opposing claims. From a doctor it’s surprising. I’ve come to think it’s for women who’ve had mastectomies but don’t take T and otherwise dress in a ‘non feminine’ manner.

For adult women falling in this category of claims/beliefs, so many have traumatic histories including sexual assault. Possibly ND. Very likely don’t feel safe being female. Unfortunately also seem to need to proselytise. Either for validation or attention or both.

I’d sympathise except for the insistence that the world conforms/readjusts to their preferences. The bathroom issue in particular is a bugbear. I really feel uncomfortable sharing that space with men.

Sorry @PlanetJanette but you are beginning to sound like old policing where someone would have to be murdered for action to be taken.

Something really, really bad needs to happen first before you realise that the risks here are non-negligible and are worthy of pre-emptive action.

I think that the act of identifying as non binary is in itself regressive and damaging and sets a bad example to children.

What adults do is up to them but children are very impressionable (although it sounds like the adult Dr Ronx is also very impressionable tbh).

Also, thinking about Dr Ronx specifically, the non binary thing is quite disappointing and seems like a bit of a waste of potential.

Imagine Dr Ronx had been surrounded by people with gender critical views rather than gender identity based beliefs.

Ronx would be a working class black lesbian pursuing a fulfilling career as a doctor.

What a great role model Ronx could be for young girls, young gay and lesbian people, young black people, young working class people. What a brilliant person to show young people in those groups what they could achieve if they put their minds to it.

But the whole non binary thing spoils that for me, because the message is essentially, "I'm not a girl because girls are silly creatures who like pink and girly stuff and dress and behave in a feminine way. If you're female and you don't identify with these stereotypes, it's probably because you're not a woman."

How regressive and damaging.

We need female role models who tell girls they can achieve anything they put their minds to, female role models who actually want to celebrate womanhood and everything women have to offer. Ronx could have been that sort of role model but has chosen not to be.

Can you show where Dr Ronx’s show does this?

Because so far all we’ve got is that the SBC promo material references them being non-binary once, and they have done an interview once in a different context about gender identity.

Literally the only actual objection is that people have about Dr Ronx is that they are non-binary. And you yourself said ‘wouldn't be thrilled about my child being taught or influenced by someone who identifies as non-binary’ (note you didn’t limit your objection to non-binary people teaching certain viewpoints, you objected to people who identify as non-binary in general).

The phrase "should be nowhere near children" is very dramatic, now, isn't it @PlanetJanette?

People who should be allowed nowhere near children are those who pose a real and direct risk of harm to those children, for example, paedophiles and child abusers.

I don't believe non-binary people pose a direct risk to children, they are proponents of what is in my view a bad and damaging idea, but then so are a lot of people who come into contact with children every day. If you stop all people with extreme religious beliefs, all people with bizarre ideas about gender, all people with misogynistic, homophobic or racist views, all men who like Andrew Tate and all women who project their food issues onto teenage girls from having any contact with children, you're going to have even bigger staffing issues in your schools.

I accept that my children will at some point be taught in school by teachers who have views or teaching practices I think are damaging. That doesn't mean I think they can or even should all be fired.

But it does mean that I'm going to have to spend my own time with my own children counteracting what they may have been taught by those people. I certainly wouldn't take my kids to see a one person show by someone who holds these beliefs.

"Non binary" will definitely fall into the "some people believe this and we shouldn't make fun of them but they are wrong" category.

Ah Janette always with the hyperbole!

No one is saying “NB” teachers shouldn’t be near children, what we’re saying is they shouldn’t use their profession as an opportunity to shove their tedious regressive propaganda down children’s thrusts the same way that an evangelical Christian teacher shouldn’t use it as an opportunity to shine religion down children’s throats

but you know this

But that’s not a children’s event at the SBC so why are you referencing it?

Or are you just, like the Telegraph, hoping that if you smush enough adult targeted material in with the shock horror of a show about the human body or a choir made up of trans people, everyone else will get up in arms about it without bothering to check the detail?

What do you think about either of these performances is age inappropriate or would make you uncomfortable?

Well if non-binary people should be nowhere near children I’m asking what should happen to non-binary people who work with kids, like teachers.

OldCrone · Today 18:07

^Budding scientists! Go on an entertaining interactive tour around the human body with trans non-binary emergency doctor and TV presenter Dr Ronx.

It seems peculiar that a doctor, of all people, would wish to present anti-scientific propaganda to children, in the name of science.

When I was a new parent I was quite clueless as to what was age appropriate... I'd have sat through something like this, felt uncomfortable but I wouldn't have left, out of embarrassment.
I'd never have returned though.

Aww, how lovely. When I was five years old, there was nothing I enjoyed more at Christmas than listening to 'an author discussing his debut novel, Pity, “a lament for a lost way of life”, about two brothers from a mining town, one with a “side hustle in sex work” and “weekly drag gigs”. '

Squeee! It'll be so CUTE! Must get plenty of photos!!!

Yes, I know that interview was specifically focusing on identity related issues so maybe it wasn't a fair example, but Ronx does come across as pretty obsessed.

There was some interesting, even some quite sensible stuff in there, but then keep reading and there's something completely nuts.

Like being upset about there being gendered toilets in hospitals. I mean, you've just been talking about how you often need to put the patient's immediate needs before your own feelings, and yet you're angry about the existence of gendered single sex toilets which many patients need?

Campaign for additional gender neutral toilets if you want. I'll support you. It's the implication that everything that doesn't work for or revolve around trans people needs to be completely changed, even if a much bigger number of people want and need it to be the way it currently is.

The world does not revolve around you!

I think this is one of the biggest issues I have with "non-binary". They genuinely seem to believe that everyone else is a less complex, less developed, less sophisticated human than they are, which is why they can put us all into these reductive "masculine" and "feminine" boxes whilst believing that they alone are outside them.

I don't know what goes on in other people's heads but I at least do them the courtesy of assuming that their inner life is as complex and interesting to them as mine is to me.

Could you imagine what would happen if an LGB choir tried to do....well anything. The TQ(rest of the keyboard) would be absolutely vile to them.

I'm happy that a Tran choir exists (bit concerned about targeting kids but that's because of the rest of the GI nonsense, it's not per se a problem), I'm sure they'll sound lovely. If I happened to be in the vicinity, I'd let 'em crack on. Might even have a listen, if it was free, join in, if it was a singalong.

Would their supporters extend the same courtesy to a GC choir? Would the Arts Council? Would the Southbank Centre? They don't want us to speak, never mind sing.

Oh God Old Crone. I do read Dr Ronx as a bit of a twat, for sure. Their attitude to what needs to happen in healthcare feels so distorted.

I have a particular problem with pronouns on badges in healthcare because I work with people with communication problems. A name badge like the 'Hello my name is...' badge that I have is purely for the patient's benefit, so they know who is seeing them. Adding pronouns increases the cognitive load for the patient and makes language demands of them that are not necessary. I get that it may feel more inclusive for a very tiny minority of patients, but for the vast majority it is actively exclusive. I've seen badges where the pronouns are bigger than the name.

And the last time I looked at the (luckily very small) suicide statistics for people under 25, LGBTQ issues were considered to be a factor in 6% of them. A child who tragically died in the waiting list for the GIDS had been bereaved of their mother 2 years prior. That was probably the most important risk factor.

Why doesn't Dr R know any of this?

Here is the evidence of Dr Ronx's obsession that I posted earlier.

https://www.suvera.org.uk/team-blog/dr-ronx

What do you mean "what should happen to" them?

OK. So what should happen to trans or non-binary teachers, for example?

The South Bank Centre referenced it once.

Do you have any evidence that Dr Ronx is obsessed with it, or that it shapes their presentation?

Because right now this is a thread full of outrage that trans and non-binary people are allowed to have any artistic interaction with kids, regardless of how irrelevant gender identity is to that artistic outlet.

This person's gender identity is mentioned.

Budding scientists! Go on an entertaining interactive tour around the human body with trans non-binary emergency doctor and TV presenter Dr Ronx.

Dr Ronx shares their incredible story of becoming an emergency medicine doctor, and leads an exploration of the human body through their jaw-dropping new illustrated non-fiction book Amazing Bodies.

https://www.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/family-young-people/dr-ronx-amazing-bodies?eventId=970504