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Froodwithatowel · 28/12/2023 09:41

There needs to be a fucking public inquiry across the nhs, dfe and social services now.

And the police.

Although at the moment, as we saw happen with the schools advice and like I strongly suspect is happening with the Cass report, there would be a concerted rush by a lobby that still has a lot of money, powerful people in hock and influence, to control and direct it to limit the damage to their agenda and to heavily influence the messaging to come out saying what served that lobby.

It is starting to shift from total capture. Inconvenience is happening. But unfortunately it's going to take women like Badenoch and Nicholson a lot longer, with the aid of a few more PR disasters that get into the press showing women and children harmed, before we get the inquiry that throws this out.

WarriorN · 28/12/2023 07:41

WarriorN · 26/12/2023 19:46

Julie Bindel has said that there was an incredibly high rate of young girls identifying as boys around Blackpool; it turned out the local social workers were completely captured.

Julie has written more about this here today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12905027/gender-ideology-crime-against-generation-julie-bindel.html

There needs to be a fucking public inquiry across the nhs, dfe and social services now.

WarriorN · 26/12/2023 21:09

Part of the capturing process is the training that the law is wrong and the lobby is right

Incoming warning regarding the schools advice; from what I've seen in my inbox and adverts in groups, many providers are gearing up to offer training on why it's not right and also pointing out that it's not statutory.

Froodwithatowel · 26/12/2023 20:07

Part of the capturing process is the training that the law is wrong and the lobby is right, it is a higher power and truth. And that you are righteous when you act against the law in the name of the lobby.

The whole thing is like the mad love child of medieval Catholicism and Dungeons and Dragons.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/12/2023 20:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/12/2023 16:39

That is such a good article. The fact that Cafcass come under the MoJ umbrella is a cause for concern. It was the MoJ that gleefully promoted the "male born sex offenders in prison with women" and the CPS (also under the MoJ umbrella) which has promoted some very disturbing anti women / anti child safeguarding materials (withdrawn "guidance" for schools etc).

I bet if an enterprising journalist explored the links between these organisations, they'd find a small pool of very self invested individuals & groups zealously promoting this ideology at the young and vulnerable, all enabled by weak leadership?

Evidencing the extreme levels of trans capture at the CPS. Look at the press release from them declaring the murder of Brianna Ghey as a transphobic hate crime before the trial had started.
They deleted it but offered no apology or acknowledgement that this was wrong on their part:

https://twitter.com/LevinsLaw/status/1738054273076736380

https://twitter.com/LevinsLaw/status/1738054273076736380

WarriorN · 26/12/2023 19:46

Julie Bindel has said that there was an incredibly high rate of young girls identifying as boys around Blackpool; it turned out the local social workers were completely captured.

RethinkingLife · 26/12/2023 16:41

Is anyone here knowledgeable as to whether the procedures and statistics are different in other countries, please? Do they have a similar number of transitioning children or is it to difficult for lack of comparable populations and needs?

I've previously read about better outcomes for children in care systems in countries where all of the carers etc. are graduates.

In UK homes, “Children were often coming in, making their own dinner and taking it up to their room to eat,” he explains. “The difference was how much time and effort was invested in getting to know the children.” Josephine Schneider’s is run by pedagogues – degree-qualified carers trained in behavioural sciences and in working with conflict.
In the UK, very few children’s home staff are graduates. In Denmark, all carers in children’s homes complete a bachelor’s degree in pedagogy, with most pursuing further training. Newly qualified pedagogues earn 26,000 Danish kroner per month pre-tax (about £3,000), and this rises after a few years to a top income bracket of 35,000 Danish kroner per month.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/copenhagen-childrens-home-support-uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/mar/23/social-pedagogy-children-care-homes

The Copenhagen house that's probably the best children's home in the world | Clare Considine and Helen Russell

In Denmark, children’s homes are places of stability, comfort and support. Now a British entrepreneur is bringing the model to the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/20/copenhagen-childrens-home-support-uk

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/12/2023 16:39

That is such a good article. The fact that Cafcass come under the MoJ umbrella is a cause for concern. It was the MoJ that gleefully promoted the "male born sex offenders in prison with women" and the CPS (also under the MoJ umbrella) which has promoted some very disturbing anti women / anti child safeguarding materials (withdrawn "guidance" for schools etc).

I bet if an enterprising journalist explored the links between these organisations, they'd find a small pool of very self invested individuals & groups zealously promoting this ideology at the young and vulnerable, all enabled by weak leadership?

Froodwithatowel · 26/12/2023 16:07

Excellent article in Spiked.

This line though needs re writing because this is one of the lingering fig leaves to be pulled away. The primary goal of social work is child protection and adult safeguarding. To do this effectively, it must be acknowledged that there is, at times, a conflict between trans rights the wishes of a person who identifies as being trans, and women’s or children’s rights.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 26/12/2023 09:03

i am old. Institutional abuse supported by social workers has always been there - children from care homes have always been at risk. Picked up from care homes by their abusers. Look at how Jimmy Saville picked girls up from care homes. Social work attracts amazing people who want to help people but also attracts some very dubious types. What worries me is the institutional capture of these organisations to what end? Looking at policies which say that female service users cannot choose female care staff is one outcome in organisations. Legitimate access to abuse women.

Igmum · 26/12/2023 08:40

So pleased that there are GC CAFCASS officers but yes, I imagine the majority will follow the guidelines so this must be changed.

RoyalWhoDidYouSayNooneOfthatNameHereOfficer · 25/12/2023 12:53

If I remember rightly a number of trans individuals / organisations made a cynical choice to target children in care / children away from their families. It was one of the first things that alerted me to the exploitative nature of those pushing this at children - that they deliberately sought out the most vulnerable of children for their "attention" with policies and training events for foster carers, staff in children's homes and social workers.

This is presumably the same principle by which sexual abusers and grooming gangs choose to target children in care.

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Theresit · 17/12/2023 23:46

My friend’s daughters social worker and school affirmed her desire to be male. But we’re in Scotland so I’m not surprised. What I see is a girl who doesn’t fit the mould of pouty lips and long hair and is struggling to find her tribe.
She had an interest in mechanics so had loads of potential, but sadly is now a school refuser.

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 23:33

Musomama1 · 17/12/2023 13:48

It makes sense that children who are under social workers are overrepresented in this area. Trauma backgrounds in young age groups make for an unstable sense of self, it's well known - a very good psychotherapist explained this to me years ago.

i do wonder how many social activists are within social work, much like the cohort of young teachers pushing ideology in school. They think they know best, social justice warriors.

Quite a few, particularly the younger or more newly qualified, or those who come into it wanting to rescue people.

Equally there are quite a few who are not, and the key is to ensure their ability to speak up and have discussions without fear for their job, and that is really where the brave women who’ve gone to tribunal have really empowered these workers, particularly Maya.

Musomama1 · 17/12/2023 13:48

It makes sense that children who are under social workers are overrepresented in this area. Trauma backgrounds in young age groups make for an unstable sense of self, it's well known - a very good psychotherapist explained this to me years ago.

i do wonder how many social activists are within social work, much like the cohort of young teachers pushing ideology in school. They think they know best, social justice warriors.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 12:37

Sadly it's nationwide. The CPS is appallingly captured and have produced some really dangerous to children advice. Teaching unions, the cars crash of the NHS and so on.
But there are slow signs of progress. Several years ago the Stonewall Diversity champion Ofsted was pushing gender identity at schools and downgrading some primary schools for (amongst other things) failing to teach about gender identity. Then the press exposed letters from Stonewall complaining that Ofsted inspectors weren't talking to primary children enough about gender identity. Once the level of Stonewall capture in Ofsted was exposed, they quietly dropped Stonewall and have been reverse ferreting ever since. No apologies, no contrition but they've recently pronounced that schools transitioning children in secret from parents is a safeguarding issue.

Things will roll back significantly once the final Cass report is published and organisations realise the levels of social & medical experimentation that they're pushing at children.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 12:17

@MrsOvertonsWindow I agree with you. One only has to look at the current Cafcass guidance on their website...

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 11:39

Good to hear that some Cafcass workers are professional and balanced. However the report is directly quoting from "advisory" documents issued under the Cafcass banner. Which of course is similar to most professions where transactivists who prioritise their ideology over children's welfare have been allowed to publish all sorts of ideological nonsense advice having self identified as "experts" in this field.
Hopefully as this "advice" is increasingly seen for the anti safeguarding, dangerous to children psycho babble that it is, leaders in all the professions will start finding their spine and only allow child centred, safeguarding focused advice to be published under their name.

Tinkeytonkoldfruit · 17/12/2023 09:46

I do think the major social work organizations though - so SWE and BASW are captured or too scared of being 'cancelled' to have thoughtful and nuanced conversations about this.

Btw I don't think children in care are over represented in the trans population because of social workers. It's because they are some of the most vulnerable children in our society, many have experienced abuse, neglect, trauma and there is an higher percentage of children with neuro-diversity than in the general population which both increase vulnerability to succumb to this ideology.

Tinkeytonkoldfruit · 17/12/2023 09:40

@LorlieS you've obviously had a difficult experience with Cafcass, but abhorrent is rude and unfair when @TheFireflies does a difficult and complex role. Just like someone who had a bad experience with their GP suggesting all Doctors are abhorrent - ridiculous and unnecessary.

Back to the point it is not reflective of my local authority - we have a number of gender critical social workers, myself included. There are challenges though in how those conversations are managed and how we get the right message communicated to practitioners. I am waiting on the concluded findings of several employment tribunals currently to give me a stronger base from which to confidently have these conversations and also the final Cass report will be helpful too I think. There is definitely more of an openness starting to develop though, I was in a meeting recently with senior managers and commissioners from CAMHs and people were talking and recommending colleagues listen to the Inside the Tavistock podcast for example.

rogdmum · 17/12/2023 09:30

I know quite a few parents (including myself) who have been reported to social services for not supporting their child’s social transition, so a bit different to what is being discussed here as gender identity is the issue. The response from social services is very hit or miss which in itself is a problem. Some social workers do believe parents must support their child’s social transition and put immense pressure on them to do so. Others are aware of the Cass Review and the need for caution and will work with parents.

Our social worker was very no nonsense and practical, looking for other solutions which would help ease our daughter’s distress and agreed with the advice we’d received from her child psychologist to turn a blind eye to her/her peer group’s use of name/pronouns etc. Unfortunately her school decided to disregard this view and refused to discuss it with us.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:49

@TheFireflies I also know the truth of the work Cafcass do and whilst of course I cannot comment on every individual Cafcass Officer, I can categorically say that some of your Officers are a complete disgrace who are entirely incompetent and destroy the lives of children with their ignorance and biases (favouring fathers at all costs).
Perhaps you are one of the rare ones.

TheFireflies · 17/12/2023 00:40

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:38

@TheFireflies I'm so sorry to hear you work for such an abhorrent organisation, but pleased you don't personally ask (most) children this question.

You don’t need to be sorry for me, I know the truth of the work I and my team do, and I know a lot of the things that are said about us just don’t reflect the reality, but thanks.

LorlieS · 17/12/2023 00:38

@TheFireflies I'm so sorry to hear you work for such an abhorrent organisation, but pleased you don't personally ask (most) children this question.