Kemi Badenoch to face Women & Equalities Committee’s questions on equalities issues - 13 December 2023

Nokes voted against gay marriage. As Kemi noted at the WESC.

Watch at the end, as that is also revealing. The exchange about NDAs, to which Nokes got a full answer. But this wasn't enough and she attempted a gotcha, citing a previous witness - "very brave woman". With an eyebrow raise and arm fold that said "unlike YOU".

Stonewall tried so hard to destroy Allison Bailey. But they just made themselves look like idiots.

A government that denies reality will be of detriment to the people of that nation. It will, of course, be the women and children that suffer first.

It's like the clanging dissonance of 'anyone who voted against gay marriage is evil and subhuman' and 'conversion therapy is evil!' declaimed alongside 'and homosexuality is sexual racism and homosexuals should learn to like sex with people of the opposite sex so as not to offend re people's gender'.

These are not the politics of those with any capacity for independent thought, logic, self awareness.....

I think it's a form of entitlement to think that someone "belongs" to you or "your side" and should parrot your beliefs because they aren't white, aren't male, or both. I also think it's racist and sexist and an instructive example of the left's hypocrisy in that they tell us to call out racism and sexism but indulge in it themselves "for the cause".

Yes. I also think there’s a real outrage that this black woman is pushing back and saying no and absolutely refusing to lie down and take it. They’re all for saying that racism is bad but subconsciously they see someone like Kemi or Allison Bailey as beneath them and therefore are taken aback when they don’t offer gratitude just to be allowed a place at the table, but present their own opinions and counteract theirs. Let alone consider that these women may be vastly more intelligent than them.

Quite. Also there's possibly the understanding that she is a genuine threat, and there's not many of them in the Tories at the moment so it must be disconcerting!

The "bigger picture" for women is being recognised in law as a reproductive class and having our rights as that reproductive class protected in law.

If we don't have that, we as a reproductive class are screwed, no matter whether the govt is tax-and-spend or tax-breaks-and-privatise.

And we are still told to vote Labour because of the "bigger picture".

Just catching up on this, I can’t believe Noakes called out KB on using the word explosion in the numbers of natal girls being referred to gender clinics but not providing any ‘data’. Isn’t that massive % hike, and known fact, part of the reason the Cass review was started??

nauticant · Today 21:48

A 11% increase is staggering and yet a 4000% increase seems not to trouble KO.

"Yeah yeah, blah blah, something something, but that's different, because..."

Yes: Kemi is Black and female. @Froodwithatowel summarised it well. As a Black woman, Kemi is expected to be aligned with the left. She refuses to be, so she must be punished and discredited.

The only thing the left (with the notable exception of some of the communist groups) hate more than a minoritised person with rightist political beliefs is a doubly-minoritised person with rightist political beliefs, such as Kemi. When minoritised people reject identity politics, it undermines the modern left because identity politics has replaced economic and reproductive class politics for the left. TERF-bashing is a subset of this hatred, notable only by its vitriol. Why do you think they go after lesbians and Black women the hardest?

I think it's a form of entitlement to think that someone "belongs" to you or "your side" and should parrot your beliefs because they aren't white, aren't male, or both. I also think it's racist and sexist and an instructive example of the left's hypocrisy in that they tell us to call out racism and sexism but indulge in it themselves "for the cause".

A 11% increase is staggering and yet a 4000% increase seems not to trouble KO.

KB: No, no. You said I said the word disease.
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KO: I don’t know! Did you?
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Of course I didn’t
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KB: So you don’t even know where that came from. Where did you get that from? Where did you get that from?
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KO: I’m not here to answer your questions.

I wondered what she was doing with her phone, looking at it, clearly referring to it. Not sure how this could happen, but at the very least, whatever she’’s reading seems to be feeding her words that she doesn’t seem wholly aware that she’s making.

CheckingTheNumbers · Today 21:24

As a visual aid, would it be reasonable to describe the difference between one pile of 10 Tunnocks tea cakes and a second of 11 as staggering? An 11% increase does not seem staggering especially given the general increase in reporting of hate crime in recent years.

Reporting an incident isn't the same as the incident actually being a crime, nor even that it actually happened. See these pages going back years for the sort of harassment carried out, by bad faith bullies! KO has picked her position and no amount of hard facts and reasoning are going to budge her from her righteous (as she sees it) position.

At around 16:54:50 KO starts to talk about the increase in reported hate crime towards trans people.

KO describes an 11% increase in reported crime as 'staggering'.

As a visual aid, would it be reasonable to describe the difference between one pile of 10 Tunnocks tea cakes and a second of 11 as staggering?

An 11% increase does not seem staggering especially given the general increase in reporting of hate crime in recent years.

Using 'staggering' in this context seems to show KO choosing words to deliberately inflame the debate - precisely what KB is talking about.

The Independent is totally captured.

Sadly that she should be the property of the left is likely to be playing a part. If you want to see this ideology at its ugliest have a gay person, a T person, or someone of any other minority, not say what it wants them to say: it's vicious.

In essence this witch must be punished and burnt because there's a major danger that she will make people think in ways that does not suit the ideology.

What is this fixation of some parts of the progressive media that a particular politician, Kemi Badenoch, needs to be undermined for expressing views that are different to what they'd like to hear? Is there something special about KB that means that her expressing these views is especially unacceptable?

This article is ridiculous. They're trying to say that Kemi said "woke archeology", which she didn't. She was answering a question:

Q: A Museum of London report has bizarrely concluded that black people were more likely to die from medieval plague. Will the Minister for Women and Equalities ensure that such sensationalist research findings and woke archaeology have no impact at all on current health and pandemic policy?

A: I do agree. I am not even sure whether we can call it just sensationalist or woke. The research apparently was based on phrenology, which is a completely discredited type of science. I agree with my hon. Friend that this type of research is damaging to trust, to social cohesion and even to trust in health services. I have written to the director of the Museum of London to express my concern.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2023-12-13/debates/1989F4B6-7F48-464D-B2F2-415CE6C15F1C/OralAnswersToQuestions

And yes, phrenology is very, very far from reliable!!!

This article, her appearance at the despatch box, and now the WESC. Why are there so many people, so invested in trying to pin words and phrases on Kemi which she has never said? Oh, and that time Nokes tried to trip her up over boys identifying into staying on the girls' dorm in boarding schools.

Do none of her Parliamentary colleagues or the media actually listen to what she says?

DrBlackbird · Today 12:52

The whole accusation that a rise in hate crime against Trans people being due to politicians talking about the issue is so misleading and faulty. Deliberately missing a step in the argument?

I don't think that it's a mistake at all, rather, a purposeful propaganda strategy; they are pushing the line that trans are the most oppressed and discriminated against group in society.

If they can con people into believing that and that they're mostly harmless, it's easier for them to claim access all areas. It's easier for them to push the lie that, without affirmation and access to women's resources, half of them will commit suicide, because who would want that?

As KO has amply demonstrated in this case, the trans side has very little in the way of facts, to support their condition, let alone logic. They say it's not a mental condition, but if affirmation is not given rapidly and unconditionally, then suicide is almost inevitable.

Resilient people with sound mental health are very unlikely to choose that route.

The result is performative righteous indigestion, blustering and shouting, in order to bully opponents into silence, or embarrassing them into making false admissions of being wrong, in order to calm the social media storm which results.

It is rather incredible that someone would go on a televised Committee and accuse someone else of saying something when they can give no source, timeline or even the content of the accusation.

Then when asked about their accusation, replied ‘I dunno. Did you [say it]?