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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
SunnieShine · 13/12/2023 11:36

Kind of misses the point.

Which is 100% of "trans women" are MEN.

So in that sense they are all a con.

RebelliousCow · 13/12/2023 11:24

Because to accept that some men were just con-men would lead one to questioning the entire baisis of gender identity. That simply dressing or "identifying as" a woman does not make you a woman. If you are something you don't need to identify as it.

So fucking obvious! Which is why nobody is even permitted to question it. We must all be suspended in a state of unreality and disconnection. Dystopia.

AnonnyMouseDave · 13/12/2023 10:53

"So who has this mystical ability to spot “true trans women” from fake ones? Well, most of us, actually."

I don't - a man in a dress is a walking talking safeguarding red flag who is always 0% woman. That some appear to have made no effort and some have made none proves nothing.

AnonnyMouseDave · 13/12/2023 10:49

"I know trans people who, having struggled with dysphoria and terrible mental health, feel much more at peace after transition." This is so irrelevant! Surely the relevant thing is comparing -

1/ Individual's mental health and happiness before and after transition (as predicted by research / statistics!)

2/ Individual's mental health and happiness before and after mental health support which does not lead to transition (as predicted by research / statistics!)

3/ The cost to society of transition (both the costs of any medical intervention, plus the cost to society of dealing with people's cross-sex demands after they transition - the latter being an insanely high cost as this board proves daily)

4/ The cost to society of providing mental health support which does not lead to transition

I strongly suspect that whilst some trans people might benefit from transition that says precisely nothing about whether they would have been happier with proper mental health support instead of transition, and it says nothing about the ridiculously high cost to society of medial transition, and the relatively low cost to society of giving proper mental health support.

Flufferblub · 13/12/2023 04:03

Great article

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JellySaurus · 12/12/2023 22:50

Unless, of course, you believe that putting on a paper crown makes you actual royalty.
Precisely.

guinnessguzzler · 12/12/2023 21:19

Loved this piece. Turns out it was a good thing she was pushed out of the Guardian as now she can write stuff like this. Fuckwits. There were so many good bits but the part that really spoke to me was this: 'Call me naïve, but I thought those who cared about the planet would not want to encourage lifelong medication, a reliance on drug companies and pumping people full of hormones forever.'

It really captures one of the key issues I have with this whole movement, both in terms of the general Green support and also the general support from the world of counselling, although it's looking like the latter could be changing.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2023 20:54

Another powerful statement:
"We were the people who fought Section 28, who nursed men dying of Aids, who rejected gender stereotypes. To be told that gay children are born in the wrong bodies, or that a man in a miniskirt and fishnets can represent us better than we can represent ourselves, is ridiculous. Another joke for your cracker."

And they allowed comments.

mcduffy · 12/12/2023 20:46

I read it in the telegraph this morning. Powerful closing line!