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It's started in Irish dancing too. 14 year old trans child wins world qualifying event

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Greyheart1 · 11/12/2023 23:32

https://tennesseestar.com/news/parents-outraged-after-trans-identifying-boy-wins-girls-irish-dancing-competition-heads-to-worlds/admin/2023/12/10/

This means that the girl outside the qualifying spots in the U14 competition has missed out on her chance to dance at the world championships next year.
Devestating. It is an extremely expensive sport.

Parents Outraged After Trans-Identifying Boy Wins Girls' Irish Dancing Competition, Heads to Worlds - Tennessee Star

A teenage boy who identifies as a girl is heading to the Irish Dancing World Championships after placing first in the U14 2023 Southern Region Oireachtas competitions.

https://tennesseestar.com/news/parents-outraged-after-trans-identifying-boy-wins-girls-irish-dancing-competition-heads-to-worlds/admin/2023/12/10

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/12/2023 09:27

The dresses themselves have changed too :(. They are now very frou frou and are a different shape.

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 09:27

@pontipinemum the child had a dress & wig for the most recent competition which could still have been worn if the child had danced in its birth gender.
At the end of the day the organisation made the rules so the buck stops with them.

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pontipinemum · 12/12/2023 09:23

That 100% should not be allowed. I don't get it though, he is dressed like a male Irish dancer so why not just compete with the boys?

The cost of the costumes is not what I would be pissed off about, I would be pissed off that a boy who is clearly at an advantage was allowed to compete with the girls.

@YetAnotherSpartacus I never got into it myself but since the 90s my friends would have been done up to the 9s dancing. I do know there is a huge market for 2nd hand dresses. Also if you are very good your dress can be sponsored.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 12/12/2023 09:10

Off-topic but my childhood friend was an Irish dancer (Irish Catholic) and there was minimal make-up, no wigs (!!) and hand-me-down costumes and
a swap-shop. I do remember her being very excited about a fake 70s tan because her pantyhose kept falling down though!

Have things changed?

SabrinaThwaite · 12/12/2023 09:10

‘Alyssa’ on the podium.

It's started in Irish dancing too. 14 year old trans child wins world qualifying event
Igmum · 12/12/2023 09:01

Signed the petition. This is awful for those poor girls

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:42

Gripts article. This is the only publication coveting the story on this side of the Atlantic.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/12/2023 08:39

As ever the comments in that article demonstrate the same issues. Parents and girls protesting but in fear that they could be ousted, criticised and even lose their jobs for speaking out. Those imposing unfair practices demanding compliance with the cult of inclusivity and "be kind"

The usual intolerance and bullying attitudes that allow boys and men to remove the rights of girls and women.

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:36

@nauticant it is an American article, their turn of phrase is different & easy to comprehend. Irish Gripts has an article too. I'll link it.

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:35

@ResisterRex exact. The child can dance in it's own gender catagory & wear what it wants. There is no need to dance in the protected girls category just because the child feels like one.

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nauticant · 12/12/2023 08:34

A side issue but I was struck by how the article using the phrase "trans-identifying boy" made it a much easier comprehend than those articles can often be.

ResisterRex · 12/12/2023 08:26

Doesn't matter what it costs. The price should never be women and girls' participation, fun, or dignity.

Elite or grassroots. Expensive or cheap as chips. It does not matter.

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:26

The petition is still there, I have added over on the petition section also.

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elgreco · 12/12/2023 08:25

I've just signed it

ArthurbellaScott · 12/12/2023 08:24

Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:00

This petition is still active with over 4,000 signatures.

Oh, good. Odd it seemed to have disappeared, maybe a glitch.

Trickofthetrade · 12/12/2023 08:24

WishIMite · 12/12/2023 07:53

Hmm Irish dancing looks like drag anyway to me… makes me a bit uncomfortable tbh. Not surprising it attracts people who might otherwise do drag…!

Totally agree .

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:18

@Beowulfa I don't know what way that works. I'm hoping the mainstream media this side of the pond pick it up to highlight the unfairness. The Daily Mail is great for this!

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Beowulfa · 12/12/2023 08:17

Is the boy in the same changing room as the girls?

Brefugee · 12/12/2023 08:10

And again, 11th in the boys’ first in the girls’. So next year the 12th, 13th, 14th boys could join as girls and have a decent shot of making it a female free podium

tbh that's probably the best outcome in terms of bringing attention to it. Sharp elbowed parents who have spent years ferrying their daughters to the dance competitions would be a force to be reckoned with.

As for making it more accessible - I'm not in Ireland so i don't know, how does it all work?

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:09

@pickledandpuzzled but the advantage will be there. Extra stamina, leg strength, higher jumps, louder in the heavy shoes. The child has to learn a different style but it's not that different at all, same technique & moves.
At the end of the day it's the organisation Clrg who have allowed this. Not very inclusive to the poor girl who can't go to Glasgow for the world championships next year.

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Theunamedcat · 12/12/2023 08:03

Hmm signed the petition but they didn't send me an email link to confirm 😕

pickledandpuzzled · 12/12/2023 08:03

One comment I found interesting- the boy will have had to learn new techniques and steps to dance with the girls. He shouldn’t be there, but he will have had to work harder than say a swimmer.
And again, 11th in the boys’ first in the girls’. So next year the 12th, 13th, 14th boys could join as girls and have a decent shot of making it a female free podium.

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Greyheart1 · 12/12/2023 08:00

This petition is still active with over 4,000 signatures.

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