It's started in Irish dancing too. 14 year old trans child wins world qualifying event

Things have changed almost beyond recognition. DP's sisters were all champion Irish dancers, one of them won the Worlds 4 times. So a big thing in his family. In the 80's there was a lot of fake tan and nights spent in curlers. DP's dad used to draw Celtic designs on the dress fabric in chalk and his mum embroidered them. This was seen as quite elaborate. By the time his niece started dancing, the girls wore huge Lily Savage wigs, drag style make up and the dresses were professionally made and cost up to £2000. The cost of travelling is insane too.

That change is incredibly sad.

No it's male foot structure is different to the female one

That's so interesting! I have to admit I have always assumed the reason that men don't do it in ballet is that generally people care less if young women damage themselves in the pursuit of beauty/ elegance. Off to do some reading!

Things have changed almost beyond recognition. DP's sisters were all champion Irish dancers, one of them won the Worlds 4 times. So a big thing in his family. In the 80's there was a lot of fake tan and nights spent in curlers. DP's dad used to draw Celtic designs on the dress fabric in chalk and his mum embroidered them. This was seen as quite elaborate. By the time his niece started dancing, the girls wore huge Lily Savage wigs, drag style make up and the dresses were professionally made and cost up to £2000. The cost of travelling is insane too.

Thanks @AlecTrevelyan006 I heard an article on R4 a while ago on this topic - one of the Lionesses was finally getting boots made to fit her feet rather than small men’s off-the-shelf boots.

I think Emma Hayes was also pretty vocal about the difference in women’s physiology when she was on Woman’s Hour back in the summer.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66433243.amp

Yes! Yet another case of “women are not just scaled down men”. It has taken the football boot industry a long time to realise that women’s feet are a completely different shape to men’s feet. Women’s ankle joints also tend to have a wider range of motion than men’s.

Add in different pelvic structures and you can see that women move in an entirely different way to men.

The power & stamina will be an advantage & look impressive in the girls comps. Toework however will be needed which as discussed above could be dangerous for males.

Is it a weight thing you're worried about? Looking at the pictures there look to be girls that weigh more than that lad so I would imagine he can do the pointe stuff as safely as the girls. There are obese dancers who manage.

@Greyheart1 Boys reels are very different to a girls reel....boys will include fast spins, stamps, clicks etc.
Once my kids get out of primary the boys and girls are taught very different steps and styles, particularly in light dances.

@Greyheart1 I saw that. The other U14 places highly at the worlds too so is clearly a better dancer.......

Really good point and very hard to prove as judging is very subjective in irish dancing and already comes under a lot of scrutiny due to allegations of cheating - which has been going on for YEARS!!! I was competing 30 years ago and everyone knew it was going on then.

The dancer being discussed her is clearly a very good dancer - to come 11th in the world is a pretty big achievement but they just missed out on a world medal and I wonder if that has influenced their decision to try their luck in the girls comp?
However, as already discussed they will need to change their entire style of dancing which won't be easy.

Reminds me of the trans poster this summer who just could not accept their inner feels didn't make them a woman. Spewing stereotypes and offending everyone whilst maintaining their fixed view.

That Australia article is shocking in how selfish the nb woman is. She genuinely believes the world owes her what sound like sexual thrills by seeing her as male, gender euphoria sounds like a paraphilia to me more and more not just Malaga airport but all of it.
Where do they get the idea that 'cis' people are just fine and happy with themselves anyway? They can't see past the end of their own nose that everyone has a personality and their own struggles and issues, this euphoric sense of self and sex they imagine doesn't exist for anyone.

Did the child win through talent or for being trans? At the risk of sounding harsh, there have been many occasions where being trans has been the major factor in competition success when the girls or women are clearly better, including judges feeling pity, being patronising or fishing for woke cookies.

@ElaineMBenes thank you for your reply and contributions to this thread, which are quite the insight!! It does sound seriously intense and like it has some major gaps that need filling.

@EtiennePalmiere thanks also for the ballet element. Also the difference in shoes and so on. Loads to think about!

This is why I like FWR. You get a topic which does belong here but you don't know much about it, but then you get to learn so much around the topic, with links and so on to go off looking at.

The sheet entitlement of these parents who think their little princes can stomp on girls' opportunities and erode their boundaries. So many nameless girls who've missed their rightful spots.