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Times article 100 women investigated over abortions

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Citrusandginger · 11/12/2023 07:35

100 women and girls investigated over ‘illegal abortions’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1bec406a-867e-489f-b6e7-1a7fef7db054?shareToken=c22787400bec73c7ca91f0716b0314a0

Appalling story. It’s a hard read. A women was trying to resuscitate her premature baby was given no support by the police who were too busy “investigating” her crime.

Women really are hated. just baby carriers. Unfortunately, the article doesn’t say who is calling the police. As a HCP I sincerely hope that if any health staff are involved are dealt with by their professional bodies.

100 women and girls investigated over ‘illegal abortions’

Sharp increase in police requests for medical records since at-home terminations were legalised

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1bec406a-867e-489f-b6e7-1a7fef7db054?shareToken=c22787400bec73c7ca91f0716b0314a0

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Grammarnut · 11/12/2023 09:01

Hihey · 11/12/2023 08:47

@FannyCann It's time the law was updated and abortion decriminalised

It's possible for a baby to survive if born at 24 weeks. If a woman wants an early abortion (before the current limit) then fine, but I don't agree with women aborting a healthy pregnancy in the later stages. She'd have to give birth anyway if she had a late abortion. I'd hope that an obstetrician or coroner would be able to determine whether a baby was a miscarriage or abortion. Must be distressing for women who have had miscarriages though.

A miscarriage is an abortion, a spontaneous one. Miscarriage is a euphemism. Anyway, I have had two nasty miscarriages, and neither were investigated by anyone but my doctors who wanted to determine the cause. However, then it was impossible to buy abortion pills over the counter courtesy of the BPAC, which has a history of not investigating requests (e.g. woman who aborted a 32/34 week pregnancy). I am not sure what to say about the derogation of duty by police officers who did not call an ambulance and assist in resuscitating a baby except that the mother should make a formal complaint about them.
To decriminalize abortion may be a good idea but there still has to be a limit on aborting a healthy pregnancy. Late term abortions are carried out for death of the baby, catastrophic malformation which will result in death before or very soon after birth (and causing a distressing death of the baby for the parents to witness), or are not abortions but early deliveries because of the danger to the mother's health e.g. need for cancer treatment. All that is fine. What is not fine is women aborting themselves of late pregnancies and endangering their own and their child's life.

Grammarnut · 11/12/2023 08:54

WilburVonTrap · 11/12/2023 07:55

This is awful, treating women in such a despicable way. Unbelievable that they left a woman to resuscitate her baby whilst they searched her home.

Why no ambulance?

Hihey · 11/12/2023 08:47

@FannyCann It's time the law was updated and abortion decriminalised

It's possible for a baby to survive if born at 24 weeks. If a woman wants an early abortion (before the current limit) then fine, but I don't agree with women aborting a healthy pregnancy in the later stages. She'd have to give birth anyway if she had a late abortion. I'd hope that an obstetrician or coroner would be able to determine whether a baby was a miscarriage or abortion. Must be distressing for women who have had miscarriages though.

Citrusandginger · 11/12/2023 08:36

It's a scary thought isn't it?

But this isn't even just abortions, what if it stops women suffering miscarriage from seeking medical support as well?

Women really are fucked.

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FannyCann · 11/12/2023 08:17

This is terrible and very sinister.

Until there was publicity about some of these cases I didn't fully understand that abortion remains a crime in the U.K. , the abortion law of 1967 allowed legal abortion under certain circumstances but it did not make abortion completely legal. It's time the law was updated and abortion decriminalised.
I'm shocked that NHS staff appear to be treating women with suspicion and reporting them to police.

"Dr Jonathan Lord, co-chairman of the British Society of Abortion Care Providers (BSACP) and a consultant gynaecologist, said he was aware of at least 100 cases of women being investigated by police since 2020 and warned that the numbers were rising.
“We are seeing women who are being entrapped and investigated following a pregnancy loss. It’s absolutely devastating,” he said. “Anybody who loses a pregnancy has all kinds of wretched feelings. But then to have NHS staff say they suspect you of causing it, and the police called to investigate it as a crime — it is life-destroying.”"

Reading about some of these investigations and prosecutions made me wonder about what happened pre 1967. There are plenty of accounts of illegal abortions and the terrible toll they took on women's health, but I wonder, were women who survived haemorrhage/ infection etc then routinely reported to police and prosecuted pre 1967?
I know there were investigations and prosecutions of the back street abortionists who performed the procedures, but were women, perhaps living in slum conditions with a batch of children already who were driven to desperate measures then prosecuted and potentially imprisoned leaving the children without a mother to care for them? My historical knowledge around this is clearly sketchy.

WilburVonTrap · 11/12/2023 07:55

This is awful, treating women in such a despicable way. Unbelievable that they left a woman to resuscitate her baby whilst they searched her home.

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