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Conservatives in bother for stating reality again

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Tallisker · 08/12/2023 12:27

Tory deputy chair Rachel Maclean accused of transphobic remarks www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-67650988

Harsh and rude, but not actually untrue. If the person only started transitioning last year, they won't have a GRC yet, so will be classed as legally male, surely?

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pickledandpuzzled · 10/12/2023 13:25

… and there I was thinking it was the Hitchhikers’ Guide to the galaxy.

PoppyCup · 10/12/2023 13:03

He is one very confused individual. He doesn't know what party politics he stands for. He doesn't know that he is a man not a woman.

I don't want him in charge of anything remotely important.

Plato was right when he said only those who don't seek power deserve it.

Datun · 10/12/2023 12:58

Justme56 · 10/12/2023 10:31

https://x.com/bbcmtd/status/1733774669432410445?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

BBC coverage

Oh lord.

'it's transphobic, it's dog whistling, it's whistling, it's gaslighting, it's everything, it's a minority, yeah it's all of it'

"How are you not mortified to post this embarrassing shite?"

🤣🤣🤣

DojaPhat · 10/12/2023 12:46

stomachameleon · 08/12/2023 13:38

It's things like this that make the tories look more attractive.

What are we all going to wear when we go to the polls to vote in the tories, girls?? I can't wait till they get in for another term and get to talk about men in wigs! Like totally, girls!

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 10/12/2023 12:38

quantumbutterfly · 10/12/2023 10:57

Hey it takes balls to be a man in a dress.

Sarah Jane Baker may or may not be counter evidence …

quantumbutterfly · 10/12/2023 10:57

Hey it takes balls to be a man in a dress.

IcakethereforeIam · 10/12/2023 10:36

Straight, white, men that well known minority. He doesn't sound that bright.

GoatsareGOAT · 08/12/2023 23:25

Maybe he said gaslighting because he can't say it's untrue??!

This stuck out to me - "Mrs Maclean, who was elected as MP for Redditch in 2017, served as minister for safeguarding in the Home Office between 2021 and 2022."

PaterPower · 08/12/2023 22:43

I’m also puzzled as to how the statement qualified as “gaslighting”.

Yet another sign of how far this bloke has removed himself from reality.

agent765 · 08/12/2023 22:15

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 17:35

Thank you! I was wracking my brain, wondering where I'd seen that face before. You've saved me the trouble of googling 'frogs in wigs'.

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I saw Princess Fiona in the BBC article. That must be his panto look.

BlueBrush · 08/12/2023 20:12

Absolutely @InefficientProcess and @Tallisker

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Tallisker · 08/12/2023 19:33

I read 'gaslighting' and 'dog whistle' and rolled my eyes. As you might imagine. It's a script.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 08/12/2023 19:17

UtopiaPlanitia · 08/12/2023 16:42

I have a theory, based on the the Danish political drama Borgen, in which the former Danish PM decides to found a new political party. The idea is really popular with the public; however, initially, when the party calls for people to join and help fight the election, it attracts tons of people who see this new party as a vehicle for their particular obsession/hobby horse. These new members attempt to force the party to adopt their views as official policy (but are successfully fought off).

I think the resurgence of interest in environmental politics has caused something like this to happen in Green parties - lots of donations and lots of new people joining who aren’t strongly interested in environmentalism but see the Green parties as a good vehicle for advancing their particular hobby horse and, in each country, the Greens failed to successfully stick to their core principles and have been taken over.

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The same thing happened to the lib dems. After the coalition, as councillors and activists retired or became disillusioned, others saw an opportunity to be there as it rebuilt itself. There was little pushback against bonkers policies because there wasn't many there to hold any standards.

InefficientProcess · 08/12/2023 18:58

BlueBrush · 08/12/2023 15:17

"It's dog whistling of the finest. It's gaslighting. It does have an impact on people."

How is it gaslighting? Does Melissa think that Rachel is manipulating her constituents into questioning their sanity by referring to Melissa as a man, because Melissa is so clearly a woman, and any rational person can see that Melissa is a woman (because clothes etc.), so calling her a man is some kind of psychological manipulation? I don't get it.

🤔Or is it just that people throw expressions like "dog whistle" and "gas lighting" around when they don't like what someone is saying but are incapabale of coming up with a proper argument against it.

It’s ridiculous, isn’t it?

Just more word salad to try to make it hard to challenge them.

There’s no ‘dogwhistle’ when it’s an unambiguously critical statement about exactly the issue it seems to be about. Ni hidden messages or secret agenda.

And gaslighting 🙄. Appropriating the language of abuse in this way really trivialises the experience of actual psychological abuse the term gaslighting is referring to.

Someone not agreeing with you, openly and in plain language, is not gaslighting.

Ifulikepinacoladas · 08/12/2023 17:42

😆

SinnerBoy · 08/12/2023 17:39

He's more of a lesbian than YOU'LL ever be!

And similar misremembered playground chants...

Ifulikepinacoladas · 08/12/2023 17:37

I have been informed on MN by activists that to say this as a lesbian makes me 'homophobic'.... which is a highly interesting exploitation of that word. And that not being willing to validate a man with my body should he express a belief in an internal identity different to his external reality, makes me a 'sexual racist

Oh my fucking god...insanity.

It's the Emperors New Clothes on crack. 'Oh yes, I see a woman, don't you?'

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 17:35

stomachameleon · 08/12/2023 14:16

It's tubs :)

Thank you! I was wracking my brain, wondering where I'd seen that face before. You've saved me the trouble of googling 'frogs in wigs'.

SinnerBoy · 08/12/2023 17:32

Boiledbeetle · Today 16:01

https://twitter.com/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1731903815320781014

Yeah, that's not fucked up at all!!!!

I said something to that effect on the linked thread.

https://twitter.com/Sorelle_Arduino/status/1731903815320781014

Villagetoraiseachild · 08/12/2023 17:24

So the Green candidate was recently a Conservative eh?

itsfinallytime · 08/12/2023 17:15

The only gaslighting that's going on here is the bloke in the wig claiming to be a woman, and a lesbian at that, then having the gall to call the woman who calls him out a transphobe.

More proof, were it ever needed, that the truth is transphobic.

When will this anti woman homophobic lunacy end?

SamW98 · 08/12/2023 17:05

Regardless, several elected officials blasted Rachel Maclean’s comments, with Redditch Labour group leader Joe Baker calling her comments “vile and hateful“.

“People who hold positions of authority should be looking after those they are in a position to serve,” Baker said.

“I understand that the situation is sensitive and I believe everyone has a right to their opinions, but when that opinion promotes hate and harm then this needs to be challenged.

Of course labour joining the pile on. Promotes hate and harm, vile and hateful - oh get a grip with the drama, it’s the truth

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