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rogdmum · 08/12/2023 23:19

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 22:57

He's not said a peep. That's really odd.

https://twitter.com/mgshanks

Ian Murray is disappointed and someone found an irate tweet from Mercedes:

https://x.com/labourmercedes/status/1733131041471074306?s=61&t=8CxL28ZCFDq66yuIWhY6_Q

She clearly didn’t get the memo to pretend nothing happened today.

https://x.com/labourmercedes/status/1733131041471074306?s=61&t=8CxL28ZCFDq66yuIWhY6_Q

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 23:07

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 20:26

If it was the other way up you could put a star on the top, it would be a Xmas merkin 🎄

Perhaps we should pitch it to John Lewis for next year's Xmas ads?

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 22:57

He's not said a peep. That's really odd.

https://twitter.com/mgshanks

https://twitter.com/mgshanks

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 22:55

rogdmum · 08/12/2023 21:04

Scottish Labour are being very coy and quiet. No official response on X/Twitter and not a peep from even the most vocal supporters. It’s almost as if they’ve all been told to keep their mouths shut…

That is interesting. What about yon new one in Rutherglen, he was very keen?

ResisterRex · 08/12/2023 21:56

rogdmum · 08/12/2023 21:04

Scottish Labour are being very coy and quiet. No official response on X/Twitter and not a peep from even the most vocal supporters. It’s almost as if they’ve all been told to keep their mouths shut…

Kemi isn't. But we will have to wait a little longer

"One day when time allows, I will tell the story of all the work that had to take place across govt on this issue.

But for now…I’m just glad that the govt’s decision to block the SNP govt’s bill has been vindicated by this ruling. 😊"

x.com/kemibadenoch/status/1733171850568499669?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

IwantToRetire · 08/12/2023 21:35

The Court of Session has rejected the appeal by the Scottish Government against the UK Government’s Section 35 order to prevent the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill becoming law.

The Scottish Government’s argument that the Secretary of State for Scotland “acted irrationally by failing to acquaint himself with the relevant facts and material before making the Order” was rejected by the judge, Lady Haldane. She noted that with a four-week deadline to decide whether to invoke Section 35 of the Scotland Act after the bill was passed last Christmas, he could not undertake an extensive information-gathering exercise and had to rely on information and advice from others.

The judgment notes that this included a letter from the Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission and submissions from “organisations active in the area of sex-based rights,” such as Sex Matters and Murray Blackburn Mackenzie, as well as notes from the UN Special Rapporteur Reem Alsalem and the UN Independent expert Victor Madrigal-Borloz.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/section-35-appeal-rejected/

(sorry if this has already been posted)

Section 35 appeal rejected - Sex Matters

The Court of Session has rejected the appeal by the Scottish Government against the UK Government’s Section 35 order to prevent the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill becoming law. The Scottish Government’s argument that the Secretary of State f...

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/section-35-appeal-rejected

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 21:14

Don't they have to have grounds for an appeal? They can't just go, 'we don't like it, try again.....ye ken'.

Sorry Xmas Blush

Waitwhat23 · 08/12/2023 21:04

Anisette · 08/12/2023 20:29

I think I would hold fire till appeal time limits have passed.

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Eh. I still lit my candle. Scottish women have fought tooth and nail and we're rightly celebrating this step. Women will continue not wheeshting, even if there is an appeal.

rogdmum · 08/12/2023 21:04

Scottish Labour are being very coy and quiet. No official response on X/Twitter and not a peep from even the most vocal supporters. It’s almost as if they’ve all been told to keep their mouths shut…

RedToothBrush · 08/12/2023 20:34

InefficientProcess · 08/12/2023 18:45

The SNP and greens will be shouting about how this means Scotland needs independence.

From here it looks very much like a very good argument for the UK and it’s reserved powers.

I do also find the rhetoric of brave little Scotland going it alone, but always following in the footsteps of someone bigger and cooler. If it’s not the EU, it’s the Nordic countries, or maybe it’s Canada or New Zealand. Regardless, it makes Scotland look like a little kid in the playground trying to be like the big kids and copying their ideas, while throwing a huge tantrum to its parents because it’s a big kid and can do things itself.

Trans Rights for Independence is not The Hill To Die On...

I think I might laugh my socks off if they think it is!

Anisette · 08/12/2023 20:29

Waitwhat23 · 08/12/2023 19:06

And I'll be lighting a candle at 8 tonight for #womendidnaewheesht

It's funny to think that round about this time last year, loads of us on here were rage poeming after the GRR bill vote!

I think I would hold fire till appeal time limits have passed.

RedToothBrush · 08/12/2023 20:29

SinnerBoy · 08/12/2023 16:01

I hadn't cottoned on to the fact that the decision was made in a Scottish court, so thanks to the PP who mentioned it. It's a very important aspect of the case, because it makes it difficult for Humdinger and Co to claim that it was all down to Evil Rishi in Westminstershire.

I saw the headline. It was DH who said 'look closer. Who made the decision?'.

I'd have missed it. But it's REALLY important.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 20:26

If it was the other way up you could put a star on the top, it would be a Xmas merkin 🎄

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 20:24

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 20:21

I hope that merkin's non-flammable. Although the insurance claim would be hilarious 😂

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Trust me those candies were not left unattended with the no doubt highly flammable merkin! As soon as the photo was taken the candles were put out. Although it wouldn't be the worst of my home insurance claims to be fair!

IcakethereforeIam · 08/12/2023 20:21

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 20:16

Judging from twitter I'm guessing there's quite a few drunk women in Scotland round about now!

I hope that merkin's non-flammable. Although the insurance claim would be hilarious 😂

Hoardasurass · 08/12/2023 20:20

@IwantToRetire I meant to add that the bill you linked to has never been rewritten it like the rest were just dropped, however that hasn't stopped them using it as an excuse for not prosecuting rapist under 18

IwantToRetire · 08/12/2023 20:19

@Hoardasurass - thanks I did mis read the numbers 33 vs 35, but as it has prompted such an interesting post not that embarrassed.

But being shamed by one's governments' seems to be universal. eg UK Government is endlessly trying to evade existing laws!

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 20:16

Judging from twitter I'm guessing there's quite a few drunk women in Scotland round about now!

S35 decision tomorrow
Hoardasurass · 08/12/2023 20:15

@IwantToRetire that bill was blocked with a section 33 order it was the 4th or 5th time the section 33 was used (all went to crt and scot gov lost them all)
A section 33 is used when the Scottish executive (they aren't a government) makes a law on a matter that they don't have devolved powers to legislate.
This is different to the section 35 that Alistair jack used.
A section 35 is used when the Scottish executive makes a law that is within its devolved powers but would effect reserved powers.
The fact that the Scottish executive decided to rebrand as a government and was allowed to get away with it gave them delusions of grandure. This along with there electoral success has lead to them believe that they can do anything that they want regardless of the law or the limitations of their power.
They have been trying to indoctrinate our children for years since we'll before they hit on the trans stuff, if you look into the Named Person bill you will see a blatant attempt at state interference in family life and a clear attempt at parental alienation.
The SNP have become a dictatorship in all but name under Stergeon and co with useless as a poor follow up act. I truly fear for my country

PriOn1 · 08/12/2023 20:10

Mention in every report I’ve heard, including the Radio 4 bulletin at 4pm of the fact that the GRR would allow people to change their legally recognized sex.

Not one that gave the weasel word gender.

If it’s an attempt by the Scottish government to make Westminster look bad, it’s sorely misjudged. If they wanted to do that, they’d need Westminster to block something the majority of Scots supported, rather than something almost nobody does, as highlighted by the debacle of Isla Bryson.

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 19:27

Waitwhat23 · 08/12/2023 19:06

And I'll be lighting a candle at 8 tonight for #womendidnaewheesht

It's funny to think that round about this time last year, loads of us on here were rage poeming after the GRR bill vote!

Rage poeming... No...that's not ringing any bells!

IwantToRetire · 08/12/2023 19:25

This article seems to imply that Holyrood has been challenged before about trying to create laws not in line with UK laws.

But this time them were proved able to do this - well in an adjusted way.

The Holyrood bill was first passed unanimously by MSPs in March 2021, but after a challenge from UK law officers, the supreme court ruled that four sections required amendment because they went beyond Holyrood’s powers.

The supreme court ruling meant it was necessary to narrow the scope of the bill to fit within devolved powers, which Somerville described as “deeply disappointing”, though the Scottish Conservatives’ deputy leader, Meghan Gallacher, countered that it was a result of Scottish government “incompetence”. Other MSPs urged the government to learn lessons from a fraught legislative process ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/07/holyrood-passes-revised-bill-on-childrens-rights-after-uk-challenge

I wonder if the GRR could be "narrowed" - but doubt this will happen as (1) it could water down "trans rights" and (2) would be an acceptance that Westminister can "dictate" to Scotland.

Holyrood passes revised bill on children’s rights after UK challenge

Scotland to become first devolved nation to incorporate UNCRC into domestic law – unless Westminster intervenes again

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/07/holyrood-passes-revised-bill-on-childrens-rights-after-uk-challenge

Waitwhat23 · 08/12/2023 19:06

And I'll be lighting a candle at 8 tonight for #womendidnaewheesht

It's funny to think that round about this time last year, loads of us on here were rage poeming after the GRR bill vote!