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Stating biological fact is an LGBTQ+ "hate crime"

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HootyMcBooby · 06/12/2023 12:31

Rishi Sunak still repeating transphobic ‘a woman is a woman’ statement (msn.com)

"Sunak’s disdain for trans people has run parallel to anti-trans rhetoric spreading across the county. The Home Office admitted less than 24 hours following his CPC speech that politicians are in part responsible for the rise in anti-LGBTQ+ hate crimes."
"Belgium’s deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, who is trans, condemned the speech as “hurtful and disappointing.“
“These words are fueling transphobia and endangering the lives of many people around the world,” she said at the time. “Trans women are women. And in no way a threat to others. Don’t join the real bullies.”

It really IS 1984 come to life.
Wrong speak, wrong think.

Biological fact (undisputable, undeniable, immutable and proven) FACTS are now a hate crime.
How can a fact be "hurtful and disappointing"? Is anyone else worried that this ideology is now reaching the top tiers of government ? De Sutter is deputy prime minister. No doubt if they are ever in the top job, it WILL be an actual crime to say a man is a man, and a woman is a woman.

At this point I would be quite happily jailed for sticking to FACTS.

They're going to need bigger jails.

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/rishi-sunak-still-repeating-transphobic-a-woman-is-a-woman-statement/ar-AA1l57Yz?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=caf93b4d121d469185c62de447fcf375&ei=10

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DrBlackbird · 07/12/2023 07:57

I’m beginning to feel nostalgic for the likes of Boris Johnson who entered politics merely to feather his financial nest rather than a politician who’s driven by an authoritarian impulse to force and subjugate an entire population and the nation’s laws to validate their one self serving fantasy. It’s very dystopian.

SunnieShine · 07/12/2023 07:43

Big hairy bollocks! Most lesbians- myself included - are very happy with biological reality.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Petra.

Helleofabore · 07/12/2023 07:28

DC1888 · 07/12/2023 04:02

You being a lesbian who is attracted to naturally born women does not preclude transwomen from identifying as women. You are not obligated to be attracted to them, and nor is it hate or homophobia.

Only 9.4% of transwomen are straight, ie. attracted to women, so for the vast majority of them you don't have the right equipment so you are getting worked up over nothing.

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Has the potential glaring discrepancy in your thinking occurred to you yet? Maybe you should link your statistics source and we can see what is meant by heterosexual in this case.

I would suggest if you asked a male who already denies they are male if they are heterosexual, using those words, they may not reply with a statement based on material reality. They will declare they are homosexual. Or bisexual or ‘’queer’ male people will also not fall under that category if bisexual or may deny that they are in that category if they declare they are queer.

PriOn1 · 07/12/2023 07:21

Just to pluck another figure from memory, something like 2-3% of men are autogynephiles, so would cross dress by choice if it was wholly socially acceptable. If they all claimed they were women, they would easily outnumber lesbians.

And 90% of those who’ve had surgery might be homosexual men, but I think the number of transvestites and cross dressers now claiming they are women and demanding access to women’s spaces and lesbian spaces in particular now outnumber HSTS men.

Helleofabore · 07/12/2023 07:18

“However, most (probably nearly all) trans people don’t claim to have changed sex. They claim to have changed gender.”

Does this mean that the influential spokespeople trans people who do make the claim that they are female when they are male are not representative of trans people and should be discredited then? Because there is a growing list of males using the word ‘female’ for themselves while demanding and getting laws and policy changes to suit their political agenda.

HipTightOnions · 07/12/2023 06:43

However, most (probably nearly all) trans people don’t claim to have changed sex. They claim to have changed gender.

Yes, but

  1. they can't explain what "gender" is
  2. they think that entitles them to behave and be treated as if they had changed sex.
Beefcurtains79 · 07/12/2023 06:40

Where did you get that 9.4% from?

NonanteNeuf · 07/12/2023 06:09

I hate the way they lump LGB and the rest of the alphabet together.

LGB - Sexual Orientation
T+ the rest - Gender Identity and its accompanying batshit politics.

It’s wildly homophobic to group them together.

KinS24 · 07/12/2023 06:08

Bit dismissive DC. I am not a lesbian but they are affected by, for example, their dating sites including trans women.
Other people have feelings too.

Commonhousewitch · 07/12/2023 05:49

Only 9.4% of transwomen are straight, ie. attracted to women, so for the vast majority of them you don't have the right equipment so you are getting worked up over nothing.
@DC1888 so equipment matters ? or does it?

IDontHateRainbows · 07/12/2023 05:44

DC1888 · 07/12/2023 04:02

You being a lesbian who is attracted to naturally born women does not preclude transwomen from identifying as women. You are not obligated to be attracted to them, and nor is it hate or homophobia.

Only 9.4% of transwomen are straight, ie. attracted to women, so for the vast majority of them you don't have the right equipment so you are getting worked up over nothing.

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Where are you getting 9.4% from ? Source?

I thought most of the later transitioning transwonen were attracted to women

IDontHateRainbows · 07/12/2023 05:41

The emporers clothes parable is exactly right!

Notamum12345577 · 07/12/2023 04:14

HootyMcBooby · 06/12/2023 12:31

Rishi Sunak still repeating transphobic ‘a woman is a woman’ statement (msn.com)

"Sunak’s disdain for trans people has run parallel to anti-trans rhetoric spreading across the county. The Home Office admitted less than 24 hours following his CPC speech that politicians are in part responsible for the rise in anti-LGBTQ+ hate crimes."
"Belgium’s deputy prime minister, Petra De Sutter, who is trans, condemned the speech as “hurtful and disappointing.“
“These words are fueling transphobia and endangering the lives of many people around the world,” she said at the time. “Trans women are women. And in no way a threat to others. Don’t join the real bullies.”

It really IS 1984 come to life.
Wrong speak, wrong think.

Biological fact (undisputable, undeniable, immutable and proven) FACTS are now a hate crime.
How can a fact be "hurtful and disappointing"? Is anyone else worried that this ideology is now reaching the top tiers of government ? De Sutter is deputy prime minister. No doubt if they are ever in the top job, it WILL be an actual crime to say a man is a man, and a woman is a woman.

At this point I would be quite happily jailed for sticking to FACTS.

They're going to need bigger jails.

It is fact that you cannot change sex. However, most (probably nearly all) trans people don’t claim to have changed sex. They claim to have changed gender.
It isn’t a hate crime to state your opinion, but it is a hate crime to abuse/discriminate against people who are trans.

DC1888 · 07/12/2023 04:02

Froodwithatowel · 06/12/2023 12:35

Considering that me saying as a homosexual female that I have a sexuality based on recognising and exclusively being attracted to my own sex - and that is not inclusive of the other sex regardless of their wishes - is also apparently 'hate' and even 'homophobic'. 😜

LGB 'hate crimes' committed by LGB people by being LGB. Can you imagine standing in a court room as a homosexual to face charges of.... upsetting someone of the opposite sex for saying that how ever they identified, they actually are the opposite sex? Particularly when under law (thank you Maya) you are perfectly entitled to view someone by their sex and state your own perceptions when they contradict someone else's.

The phrase 'hate crime' is now as mangled and empty of sense or meaning as the word 'kind' or 'inclusive' when used by this political lobby. And while going to court over it will be two years of expensive hell, the court case will be a laugh a minute and will end very predictably. Reality is not against the law.

You being a lesbian who is attracted to naturally born women does not preclude transwomen from identifying as women. You are not obligated to be attracted to them, and nor is it hate or homophobia.

Only 9.4% of transwomen are straight, ie. attracted to women, so for the vast majority of them you don't have the right equipment so you are getting worked up over nothing.

DC1888 · 07/12/2023 03:50

gnarlynarwhal · 06/12/2023 13:20

This all reminds me of the folktale The Emperors New Clothes written by Hans Christian Andersen which tells the story about an emperor who tells his subjects something that is the opposite of what they saw.
He was convinced by his tailors that his new clothes could be seen and paraded around seeking affirmation from his subjects. If the emperor’s tailors could not convince the people by use of propaganda, then they resorted to intimidation and non-believers were labelled as being phobic. Those who claimed to see his new clothes were actually just sheep not wanting to be branded as phobic, instead wanting to be seen as progressive. So they went along with the Emperor’s claims saying they were able to see the clothing, while heaping affirmations onto the emperor.

Thanks for giving a summary of the Emperors New Clothes as its a little known story. You couldn't tell us what Cinderella is about while your at it? Lol...sorry couldn't resist.

MrsTwatInAHat · 06/12/2023 21:50

a man is a man, and a woman is a woman

Another odd thing is that by objecting to this statement, TRAs are saying that they don't think TW are women or TM are men. If they did, they would have no issue with it. The logical conclusion of thinking it's wrong to say this, is that you believe a non-woman can be a woman, etc.

WickedSerious · 06/12/2023 14:53

I'm a one woman crime wave.

Datun · 06/12/2023 14:08

SamW98 · 06/12/2023 13:39

The one thing I’ve noticed with this ridiculous ‘confirming biological reality is hate speech’ rhetoric is that it’s riled many women who previously would never have considered themselves political or feminist. I know so many everyday women who have just been happily getting on with their lives, all this stuff going over their heads, who are now saying ‘wtf - enough’ and fighting in the GC corner.

Our company asked us to add pronouns voluntarily to our emails and I’m proud to say absolutely no one in our department has chosen to

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The one thing I’ve noticed with this ridiculous ‘confirming biological reality is hate speech’ rhetoric is that it’s riled many women who previously would never have considered themselves political or feminist.

Late onset feminism. It's highly contagious.

And yes, the quickest way to catch it is to listen to a transactactivist.

SamW98 · 06/12/2023 13:42

HermioneWeasley · 06/12/2023 13:05

Did the Home Office really say that politicians stating facts are responsible for an increase in hate crimes? That seems unlikely.

this sort of transperbole is what is switching so many people off their cause.

Probably because hate crime now means calling a biological man ‘he’ or taking a photo of a GC sticker or liking a tweet.

Hurty man feelings = recorded as hate crime

SamW98 · 06/12/2023 13:39

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/12/2023 13:23

I really think this hyperbole isn't helping their cause. If I'm now also a hate criminal for stating the perfectly obvious and uncontroversial to the vast, vast majority of the world for all time, how much worse can I get? Does it matter what I say from this point anymore?

The one thing I’ve noticed with this ridiculous ‘confirming biological reality is hate speech’ rhetoric is that it’s riled many women who previously would never have considered themselves political or feminist. I know so many everyday women who have just been happily getting on with their lives, all this stuff going over their heads, who are now saying ‘wtf - enough’ and fighting in the GC corner.

Our company asked us to add pronouns voluntarily to our emails and I’m proud to say absolutely no one in our department has chosen to

ColonelSpondleClagnut · 06/12/2023 13:37

Annoyingly, nobody ever includes the second half of that quote Transgender issues have been heavily discussed by politicians, the media and on social media over the last year, which may have led to an increase in these offences, or more awareness in the police in the identification and recording of these crimes.

The whole report states that the figures don't necessarily show a rise in (any sort of) hate crime, but rather differences over time in people reporting them and how they are recorded.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023

Helleofabore · 06/12/2023 13:26

Hootys link is to MSN which is a pink news article too.

I have also stuck it in archive dot is as well for anyone who would prefer to read an archived version.

StephanieSuperpowers · 06/12/2023 13:23

I really think this hyperbole isn't helping their cause. If I'm now also a hate criminal for stating the perfectly obvious and uncontroversial to the vast, vast majority of the world for all time, how much worse can I get? Does it matter what I say from this point anymore?

CorruptedCauldron · 06/12/2023 13:23

Yes, the trans lobby would have garnered so much more sympathy if they hadn’t tried to queer reality and make two and two equal five. They could have said look, these people have dysphoria, they’re suffering, they need to change their gender presentation to feel comfortable in their own skin. They know they’re still their birth sex, no matter how they look on the outside, and they respect that sex matters in society, and laws are based around it. When accessing single-sex facilities and spaces, they will use those that align with their birth sex. Just let them present as they wish and don’t be unkind to them.

How easy would that be?