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Closet TERFs

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Donteventhinkofcallingmecis · 05/12/2023 11:26

Saw something on Twitter earlier suggesting that Lineker must be a closet TERF given that he hasn't made any overtly TWAW type comments.

Given that it's easy peasy to flaunt one's gender ideology credentials in the current climate, one can't help but wonder if those who could but aren't are actually in the sane GC camp, but timid/terrified/being gagged by editors/agents.

On which basis - which names would you add to the list?

I'll start.... Caitlin Moran. Conspicuously silent....

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PermanentTemporary · 06/12/2023 07:08

Emily Maitlis provided a quote for the cover of Time to Think. I think that was quite a big public commitment.

Ironically given my view on the binary nature of sex... I won't put people into 2 groups on this. Everyone in the public eye is walking a razor blade on this issue. And I've seen the transcript of the parliamentary meeting where Jess Phillips was slapped down for pretty much assuming that places where vulnerable women sleep would remain single sex. It wasn't pretty. But I believe it probably remains her view.

Anyone who hints as CM did that there might be some difference between women and transwomen gets verbally punched. I'm not going to do the same from the GC side.

Soontobe60 · 06/12/2023 07:00

Donteventhinkofcallingmecis · 05/12/2023 11:53

@Ereshkigalangcleg yes - I suspect you're right. But wouldn't it be wonderful to see more of them growing a spine and piping up about it now and then?

A sweepstake on who will be next to break ranks would be fun.....

It speaks volumes of the impact of cancel culture. Someone who earns a living in the public forum will be very wary of cutting off their income source by speaking the truth out loud.

HermioneWeasley · 06/12/2023 06:58

@still Lorraine Kelly is full on stunning and brave and be kind

stillholly · 06/12/2023 06:43

@Nagado that's interesting.

I wonder if she has had a change of heart as she doesn't appear to spout this anymore.

Lorraine Kelly??

lemmein · 06/12/2023 03:34

Shelagh Fogarty!

CountZacular · 06/12/2023 02:54

Didn’t Jess come out this summer in support of single sex spaces? I feel like she is a TERF and has been for a while, but she’s not going to do more than dip a toe in until she’s sure talking about it will benefit her.

Sisterpita · 06/12/2023 01:52

HermioneWeasley · 05/12/2023 16:57

Also nope to Jess Philips @StrictlyAFemaleFemale . She amended the counting dead women list to include Brianna Grey and hasn’t said a thing about women needing female only refuges despite her supposed work on domestic violence and has done nothing to defend Rosie Duffield

I disagree, Jess spoke at the debate on the EA2010 and was very clear sex matters.

WRT Brianna, Jess named her separately to draw a distinction.

Nagado · 06/12/2023 00:56

stillholly · 05/12/2023 15:53

Katherine Ryan

Too close to the LGBT fanbase and community to outwardly comment.

It’s from 2018 but she seems quite firm in her opinion.

https://twitter.com/Kathbum/status/1048513277549051909

https://twitter.com/Kathbum/status/1048513277549051909

AvacadoFieldsForever · 05/12/2023 19:21

stillholly · 05/12/2023 15:53

Katherine Ryan

Too close to the LGBT fanbase and community to outwardly comment.

I stopped listening to her podcast when she gave her “thoughts” on inclusion in sports. She thought we should just be kind, create different size categories , be kind some more.
Such a disappointment

CorruptedCauldron · 05/12/2023 18:53

Davina has recommended the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. She and Michael Douglas discussed it on their podcast.

everybluesock · 05/12/2023 18:50

Adele (she criticised gender neutral awards)
Victoria CM?
I agree re Kathryn Ryan
Jo Brand?
Sarah Millican

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 18:32

No she isn't. I just wanted to sing her praises there.

lordloveadog · 05/12/2023 18:17

Suzanne Moore is by no means closeted.

KatBurglar · 05/12/2023 18:13

Maitlis is a possibility. Justin Webb is a TERF.

Moran is a back-stabbing Pick Me girl. Bitterly disappointed.

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 17:58

Sonia , Kenan Malik , Suzanne Moore.

Literally years since I read Owen Jones or Zoe Williams. The relief.

WorriedMutha · 05/12/2023 17:29

My respect will be spread pretty thin when the reckoning comes. What is journalism if not being willing to speak the truth. If you are just going to parrot fashionable doctrine uncritically, you are just a content creator. Give me Sonia Sodha any day.

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 17:26

Caitlin has never disappointed me. I always thought she was a phoney. Aisling Bea can do one as well. Bit of a 'shleeveen ' detector when it comes to fellow Irish. Norton ditto.

ItsNotaCabbage · 05/12/2023 17:18

@FourLastSongs agree so sad about Catlin Moran. I know her book “How to be a Woman” was pretty basic but it changed my life when I read it.

She has totally abandoned her loyalties to poor working class women. I find that once people get money and all their friends are wealthy arty elites they can no longer understand the impact these things have on the most vulnerable in society. She is completely out of touch.

GoatsareGOAT · 05/12/2023 17:11

Yep nodding along to HermioneWeasley
IMO -
CM fucking coward/lacks integrity
JP only cares about JP's career & therefore lacks integrity

I think pretty much all adults are "TERFs" (or at the very least terf between the sheets) it's terribly disheartening to discover just how many people will go along with absolute nonsense for the sake of a quiet life/being part of the in crowd.

Froodwithatowel · 05/12/2023 17:01

HermioneWeasley · 05/12/2023 16:54

Caitlin has said that TW are better women than the old fashioned cunty ones because they’ve had to earn it and she’s said fuck all about rapists in women’s prisons. I won’t click on any of her articles now, I have zero interest in what such a cowardly traitor thinks about anything

Good grief. Some women take dick pandering to really embarrassing levels.

HermioneWeasley · 05/12/2023 16:57

Also nope to Jess Philips @StrictlyAFemaleFemale . She amended the counting dead women list to include Brianna Grey and hasn’t said a thing about women needing female only refuges despite her supposed work on domestic violence and has done nothing to defend Rosie Duffield

HermioneWeasley · 05/12/2023 16:54

Caitlin has said that TW are better women than the old fashioned cunty ones because they’ve had to earn it and she’s said fuck all about rapists in women’s prisons. I won’t click on any of her articles now, I have zero interest in what such a cowardly traitor thinks about anything

RayonSunrise · 05/12/2023 16:08

I suspect quite a few people who were Team #BeKind a few years ago have quietened down as the Isla Bryson/men in women's sports/paediatric transition stuff has come out.

"No debate" was a useful way to keep people defaulting to supporting the "most marginalised," until they got a good look at who was taking that well-intended loophole and running with it.

stillholly · 05/12/2023 15:53

Katherine Ryan

Too close to the LGBT fanbase and community to outwardly comment.

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 05/12/2023 15:44

I reckon Jess Phillips. But she hasn't said anything because she's seen what's happened to Rosie Duffield, and has already had someone breaking into her office screaming that she's a fascist.