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Closet TERFs

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Donteventhinkofcallingmecis · 05/12/2023 11:26

Saw something on Twitter earlier suggesting that Lineker must be a closet TERF given that he hasn't made any overtly TWAW type comments.

Given that it's easy peasy to flaunt one's gender ideology credentials in the current climate, one can't help but wonder if those who could but aren't are actually in the sane GC camp, but timid/terrified/being gagged by editors/agents.

On which basis - which names would you add to the list?

I'll start.... Caitlin Moran. Conspicuously silent....

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Ofcourseshecan · 17/01/2024 11:20

Nagado · 06/12/2023 00:56

It’s from 2018 but she seems quite firm in her opinion.

https://twitter.com/Kathbum/status/1048513277549051909

Fair enough, as that TWAW is from ‘Kathbum’. What do you expect when someone talks out of their arse?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 09:57

I can imagine that Victoria Coren-Mitchell is quite TERFY

She's also been accused of saying the wrong thing in her column before. Notice it tends to be directed at women when people pore over their work and social media for the tiniest evidence that they may not completely hold the accepted opinion.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/01/2024 09:54

Konnie Huq has been targeted by online TRA trolls for the sin of liking a terfy post before. Can't remember who but it was someone like Kathleen Stock. Charlie has never commented on trans stuff that I know of so at this stage I would assume that he's at least mildly gendersceptical.

Deathbyathousandcats · 17/01/2024 09:44

I agree that Charlie Brooker is too smart to agree that TWAW

Deathbyathousandcats · 17/01/2024 09:43

I can imagine that Victoria Coren-Mitchell is quite TERFY (and her husband: he’s best mates with long standing TERF Robert Webb)

WitchyWitcherson · 17/01/2024 09:37

HermioneWeasley · 17/01/2024 06:44

@WitchyWitcherson i don’t know about Konnie Huq but her sister Rupa is an MP and has been dreadful on this issue.

Oh dear - although I tend to think spouses agree more than siblings... I certainly am more aligned with my partner than my brother. Anyway, total speculation on Konnie. I just really can't imagine Charlie Brooker blithely agreeing with the TWAW mantra. The subject of 'society being captured by gender ideology' would make a cracking Black Mirror episode if he were brave enough! It's already pretty dystopian in reality 😂

HermioneWeasley · 17/01/2024 06:44

@WitchyWitcherson i don’t know about Konnie Huq but her sister Rupa is an MP and has been dreadful on this issue.

Sidaway · 16/01/2024 23:37

Boxer Barry McGuigan has come out:

https://twitter.com/ClonesCyclone/status/1746289060560171479

Upstart Crow - that was written by Ben Elton wasn't it? I've not seen the terfy jokes in that. But he also wrote Identity Crisis, which sends up the whole woke thing. (Though wasn't he also on thst notorious C4 Friday Night Live... So not sure about him, really).

https://twitter.com/ClonesCyclone/status/1746289060560171479

WitchyWitcherson · 16/01/2024 21:15

I can't imagine Charlie Brooker being anything but a TERF, which means Connie Huq is probably (hopefully) a TERF too ❤️

RestlessMillennial · 15/01/2024 19:33

Phoebe Waller-Bridge

TathingScinsel · 14/01/2024 22:06

There are quite a few sitcoms/comedy dramas around with suspiciously terfy jokes, Upstart Crow, White Lotus and Loudermilk for starters, must be some terves on those writing teams.

Vaguely recall Jesse and Katie on Blocked and Reported saying there is a movie coming out this year about all the purity spiralling and cancelling and sensitivity reader-ing in the world of Young Adult Fiction so that has the potential for big screen terfiness!

Moondxnce · 14/01/2024 21:56

WRT Brianna, Jess named her separately to draw a distinction.

Jess named him separately to appease the mob. His name was Brett. Brianna is a girl's name.

pieceofpasta · 14/01/2024 21:17

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 05/12/2023 15:44

I reckon Jess Phillips. But she hasn't said anything because she's seen what's happened to Rosie Duffield, and has already had someone breaking into her office screaming that she's a fascist.

Yes I agree. She's too bothered about being popular to come out though. She did speak well at the equality act debate which was amazing.

Caththegreat · 14/01/2024 21:05

You set the bar low
How about reading Gloria Steinem

CorruptedCauldron · 08/12/2023 17:12

It has always irked me that Diane Morgan doesn’t get a writing credit on Cunk for ‘additional material’. She improvises so brilliantly - that’s all from her own initiative, not a script.

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I'm sure she improvises when it comes to her interview scenes. But written for by the wonderful Charlie Brooker who created the character many years ago. Now I wish he was a terf.

Str8talkin · 08/12/2023 11:34

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LondonLass91 · 08/12/2023 08:51

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 17:26

Caitlin has never disappointed me. I always thought she was a phoney. Aisling Bea can do one as well. Bit of a 'shleeveen ' detector when it comes to fellow Irish. Norton ditto.

Oh yes Aisling Bea is definitely TWAW camp, wonder about Sharon Horgan then?

Dontgivemeplants · 08/12/2023 08:16

It's amazing how few people are on this list. So many people have kept their mouths shut. They're all terfs and moral cowards

LadyBevvy · 06/12/2023 12:49

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 17:26

Caitlin has never disappointed me. I always thought she was a phoney. Aisling Bea can do one as well. Bit of a 'shleeveen ' detector when it comes to fellow Irish. Norton ditto.

Thank you. She's a posho pickme who larps as a feminist and WC woman.

Moving away from the (understandable) white Brit woman bias on this thread, I'd be confident in saying that a fair chunk if not the majority of Black American female rappers are terfy as hell. Go on Lipstick Alley and you'll see that Black women are fed up of their womanhood being co-opted by the TWAW brigade (unsurprisingly, as it's shamefully racist).

Black female rappers have to content against a hugely misogynistic industry and many of them (Lil Kim, Mia X, Gangsta Boo (RIP), La Chat, Young MA, Scar Lip) have experienced pretty horrendous SA themselves. They know what a woman is, because women from poorer socio-economic backgrounds are more likely to be victims of misogynistic violence.

HagoftheNorth · 06/12/2023 09:24

As an addition, it would be really interesting to see which sports stars are TWAW. Tom Daley obviously, but it’s not a crowded field - can we assume the others have a grasp of the physical reality of their sexed bodies?

WarriorN · 06/12/2023 07:32

stillholly · 05/12/2023 15:53

Katherine Ryan

Too close to the LGBT fanbase and community to outwardly comment.

Oh, no, I started watching her (fiction) comedy series (not the stand up.)

In it she's a potter from home making mugs in the shape of women with boobs etc. then she does a line with penises. It was too gushy to be irony or critical. So I don't think so. Though I can't see how she can be open about it.

I didn't find it as good as her stand up.

FarEast · 06/12/2023 07:22

There’s a fascinating legal issues podcast called Double Jeopardy. The two men who run it (former DPP and another senior barrister) are pretty TERFY. One of their early guests was Professor Kathleen Stock.