MIC Ollie Locke & husband on their Brazilian surrogate

It's such an eye opening film @TheClogLady

Only ‘slightly’?
How awful for any girl child to hear their dads talking in such a casually misogynistic way about how they came into being.

Well they were spot on with one of their quotes i.e. "we were slightly knobheads".

Anyone who thinks surrogate mothers are the only concern and that egg donors aren’t also exploited and their health put at risk needs to watch Eggsploitation:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAMrwAGR3GA

Tuition at US university is eye watering LT expensive and young female students are specifically targeted by predatory Fertility Clinics. These very young women have not had children of their own and are not already undergoing egg harvesting for their own reasons, they are told it will be easy money AND they are helping sad, childless, couples.

Some of these young women have lost their own fertility when reckless, exploitative clinics put the number of eggs collected over the health and well being of the donor.

And that’s before you get to the health and social consequences for babies created in this way (which will take decades to truly understand and unsurprisingly the clinics that make millions out of this aren’t keen on studying the negative consequences).

(no doubt I’ll now get a load of predatory YouTube ads from IVF clinics, as usually happens when I post on these topics online!)

They’re repulsive. People with attitudes like that, are only going to fuck up any children they parent.

I hate surrogacy and the use of donors anyway but this pair make it even worse if that’s possible.

Whoooooosh! Totally over your head.

It's not donor sperm or donor eggs, it's the woman that actually carries them that is the issue - not the ivy league educated supermodel that apparently needs to make extra imcome donating eggs
The one you, and they, have so little concern for they don't even warrant a mention.

Well, renting wombs for purchased eggs/baby trafficking is a lot like prostitution/human trafficking, so at least they said the quiet bit out loud.

Good they had fraternal twins, at least the siblings will have each other, which might help ease a little of the pain of not having a mother.

An 11 week prem baby is in neonatal ICU. You simply do not move anyone in ICU, unless lives are at stake. A hospital to hospital transfer would have to be done by ambulance, wouldn't it, with a neonatal nurse on board? It could have killed the patients if the ambulance went over a bump in the road!

If it's inconvenient for you to visit someone still in an ICU, tough luck. You move to them. They do not move to you.

It's tiresome, but I feel partly to blame as I did question why they did seem to know such personal detail as to how virtuous Locke et al are..
But yes, I agree, it's a lazy new form of 'debate' quickly throw slurs, soft accusations of 'being mean' to try and shut people up because #unkind..

Yes. I agree

This is a new style of “debate” isn’t it? Commented on another thread earlier about how exaggerated, heightened language is now commonly used to describe perfectly normal interactions and discussion in order to pretend that the other person is deeply unpleasant and flawed rather than just…disagreeing. It’s all so tiresome.

Ahhh. I remember this. This was reprehensible. What a great way to start being loving parents.

Good, sweet, lovely people don't buy humans. Or refer to the process by which their children came into being as 'prostituty'. Or consider 'smoking hot' to be a priority characteristic of babies.

Thats horrendous @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision but am not surprised, need to get the kids out there earning!

People don't automatically have the capacity or the will to value children's welfare just because they have spent much money to have them.

Surrogacy Concern tweeted the following in July, regarding an unknown set of celebrity commissioning parents.

News has reached us of another celeb couple commissioning babies like they’re pedigree dogs.

This time the babies have been born 11 weeks early. They’re in hospital: the Dads allegedly threatening to sue hospital if they don’t move them.

Human trafficking. In the U.K. In 2023.

https://twitter.com/SurrogConcern/status/1681314370654195712

I hope the nanny or teachers or whomever ends up doing the shitwork of raising both children is able to both model a loving, caring relationship, and communicate that women are not body parts to be bought and sold.

OK, bit dramatic hyperbole but if that's what you need to do, its not exactly interesting debate.

I've not come across you before on this board...but the bilious, vindictive unpleasant style is not for me. So I doubt I'll be responding again. Discussion is one thing - but acrimony for its own sake - no, thanks!

Vitriolic?why so worshipful? How do you know he is so sweet and lovely? Because you watch how he presents on TV?

Why so vitriolic? I happen to like 'Made In Chelsea' it is one of my guilty pleasures, and I've always liked Ollie. His husband Gareth is sweet and lovely. I've been following the development of this story.

I'm not suggesting thats surrogacy is without issues, but like it or not it is increasingly common for people to use donor sperm, and now eggs too.

No, because the fact is that many children are not loved and cherished at all. As countless tragic murders of young children born to natural parents reveal.

Why more so because they were specially selected and cost lots of money and give their parents coverage in crappy 'sleb magazines and social media?
Oh yes, so much more...

I read the post you refer to, as just meaning with so many children who suffer intentional neglect, these babies were very much wanted and will be surrounded by love. I dont think the posters meant because of money or means.

I think they are acknowledging they are hiring a woman for her services, akin to prostitution, which lets be honest, wether you agree with surogacy or not, its true.

Fucking hell, vile, vile humans.