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GC Group at work

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SEENMember2023 · 29/11/2023 19:57

Hi All

I work in the public sector in an organisation of 7000+ staff

Yesterday the Sex Equality & Equity Network (SEEN) aka Gender Critical group was stood up and made their first post on the internal social media type forum. This group will sit under the banner of the civil service SEEN group.

There was quite a lot of comments on the first blog post that set out FAQs and Aims etc. Many thinly veiled accusations of transphobia were posted and general TRA hostilities. e.g asking would they happy for transmen to be forced into the Female changing rooms if they "got their way" and single sex changing rooms were brought in etc.

Later in the day there were charitable donations being publicly announced on this forum by Non binary and Trans folk (to Mermaids of all charities) that match in £ the number of likes this SEEN blog post got

Has anybody else experienced this kind of thing in their workplace in regards to Gender Critical views? Will it ever get better or every time there is a discussion will it always be this hostile?

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Tallisker · 11/12/2023 14:50

Loving boffortunities 😂

ArthurbellaScott · 11/12/2023 14:10

Waitwhat23 · 11/12/2023 14:07

boffortunity

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😁

MON THE EQUAL BOFFORTUNITIES

Waitwhat23 · 11/12/2023 14:07

boffortunity

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BezMills · 11/12/2023 13:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2023 13:27

Oh my word, this has been the best belly laugh I've had all day. Thanks for the link to the reddit.

'I've never been more disappointed in my department than seeing the SEEN network promoted on the front page of the intranet this morning, the week after Trans Day of Remembrance.'

I liked the "bi/pan woman" wailing about being called straight because she was in a relationship with a man. That's all the fault of "terfs" I guess.

Yeah it's hard to tell Straight from Bi-in-Straight-Relationship (unless they go all Vegan or Cold Water Swimmer and tell you immediately and frequently)

And really does my face care which kind of people that you're not currently boffing, that you'd consider boffing if the boffortunity arose? It doesn't care. Look at my face. Look at it, not caring about your hypothetical theoretical boff life.

did you see how I wrote this post without saying Spicy Straight. Dead proud of myself for that.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/12/2023 13:27

Oh my word, this has been the best belly laugh I've had all day. Thanks for the link to the reddit.

'I've never been more disappointed in my department than seeing the SEEN network promoted on the front page of the intranet this morning, the week after Trans Day of Remembrance.'

I liked the "bi/pan woman" wailing about being called straight because she was in a relationship with a man. That's all the fault of "terfs" I guess.

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SEENMember2023 · 11/12/2023 12:43

Somebody asked the question on whether our belief that sex is immutable is for humans only or is a universal belief. Can't wait for the idiot to mention clown fish lol

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Sindyshiraz · 10/12/2023 16:11

Just read the Reddit link. Yep, that's the abuse we get all day long. Got to be strong, our beliefs are as important as any one else's and GC belief's are protected in law. I just wish that instead of Googling Intersex they'd Google Autogynephilia.

Apollo441 · 03/12/2023 15:15

Tallisker · 01/12/2023 19:49

Talking of agender people, one of the commenters on the launch of SEEN page shared a link to the CS trans network a:gender for an alternative view. Can you imagine the absolute meltdown/furore/brouhaha that would have happened if SEEN had posted something similar on the a:gender page?

I have the rolliest of rolly eyes. My optician is quite concerned. 😁

Then go on their website and do exactly the same. What's sauce for the goose....

Woman2023 · 02/12/2023 20:02

GordoStevensMustache · 01/12/2023 13:16

There's a "feminist" on there whining about how the gender criticals (sic), uphold gender stereotypes. 🙄 how are they this stupid?

#NoDebate it's the exact opposite of critical thinking

Tallisker · 01/12/2023 19:49

Talking of agender people, one of the commenters on the launch of SEEN page shared a link to the CS trans network a:gender for an alternative view. Can you imagine the absolute meltdown/furore/brouhaha that would have happened if SEEN had posted something similar on the a:gender page?

I have the rolliest of rolly eyes. My optician is quite concerned. 😁

popebishop · 01/12/2023 19:44

That person is bigoted against agender people. I hope he educates himself.

Tallisker · 01/12/2023 19:06

@SEENMember2023 if you fancy a join up or a shoulder to cry on/safe space for a rant, DM me your details or department and I'll get our network leads to be in touch with yours.

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SEENMember2023 · 01/12/2023 17:21

An update from today

A man commented today to point out that in the FAQs it says "gender identity (if you have one)"

He went on to say that "everybody has a Gender identity and that suggesting it is optional, shows a lack of understanding"

Shoot me now

He then went on to say he hoped the SEEN network continues to engage with the LGBTQ networks to ensure it doesn't become a "safe space to hold ignorant or bigoted views"

Nearly spat out my tea!

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GordoStevensMustache · 01/12/2023 13:16

There's a "feminist" on there whining about how the gender criticals (sic), uphold gender stereotypes. 🙄 how are they this stupid?

ArthurbellaScott · 01/12/2023 13:10

'My own department has had something of a schism within the LGBT network recently, with a high profile (both within the group and the media) member of the trans community now detransitioning and becoming a vocal opponent of trans advocacy. As you can imagine, SEEN has been all over it.'

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ArthurbellaScott · 01/12/2023 13:04

Oh my word, this has been the best belly laugh I've had all day. Thanks for the link to the reddit.

'I've never been more disappointed in my department than seeing the SEEN network promoted on the front page of the intranet this morning, the week after Trans Day of Remembrance.'

ArthurbellaScott · 01/12/2023 13:03

RiotAndAlarum · 01/12/2023 10:34

Self-censorship by GC staff may well have allowed TRAs to seem reasonable (nothing for them to push back against).

Now these new comments make any such commentators look unhinged, and provide more evidence that such a network is needed (although of course any group has the right to have a staff network and there shouldn't be a high barrier to "proving" its right to register!)

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Yes. It's still apparently sinking in that since Forstater, people are no longer allowed to openly discriminate against gender critical beliefs.

RiotAndAlarum · 01/12/2023 10:34

ArthurbellaScott · 30/11/2023 16:53

Hopefully screenshots will have been taken, and the issues will be pursued through the appropriate channels.

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Self-censorship by GC staff may well have allowed TRAs to seem reasonable (nothing for them to push back against).

Now these new comments make any such commentators look unhinged, and provide more evidence that such a network is needed (although of course any group has the right to have a staff network and there shouldn't be a high barrier to "proving" its right to register!)

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SEENMember2023 · 30/11/2023 23:17

Yes indeed.

I like this passage from Helen Joyce's book, Trans.

"The other belief systems accommodated in modern democracies are, by and large, held privately. You can subscribe to the doctrine of reincarnation or resurrection alongside fellow believers, or on your own. Gender self-identification, however, is a demand for validation by others. The label is a misnomer. It is actually about requiring others to identify you as a member of the sex you proclaim. Since evolution has equipped humans with the ability to recognise other people’s sex, almost instantaneously and with exquisite accuracy, very few trans people ‘pass’ as their desired sex. And so to see them as that sex, everyone else must discount what their senses are telling them."

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SEENMember2023 · 30/11/2023 22:51

Replies are still published do I don't think it's the same organisation

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Waitwhat23 · 30/11/2023 22:19

I may have laughed incredulously at one of the first comments on the first Reddit link, namely -

'Unfortunately the Forstater case set the legal precedent that this belief is protected under the Equality Act, which is stressed about 50 times in their group description. What they seem to forget in many cases is that like any other religion or belief, it doesn't give you the right to force that belief onto others or discriminate against others who don't fit into that belief.'

It is astounding how hypocritical gender ideologists are.

ArthurbellaScott · 30/11/2023 16:53

NotSEENmember · 30/11/2023 16:03

I think I work in the same organisation as you and if I do I didn’t see any comments like the ones you are talking about on the post.
I saw some that were supportive of trans people but nothing about how trans men in female changing rooms would be reacted to or donations to Mermaids.
all of the comments have been removed now so no way to prove if they happened or not.

Hopefully screenshots will have been taken, and the issues will be pursued through the appropriate channels.

PlanetJanette · 30/11/2023 16:32

Hang on - what specifically are you objecting to? That people disagree with you and post that disagreement?

I think some folk on here probably need to explore what bullying and harassment in the workplace is. Arguing against a policy proposition for (for example) workplace toilets etc is not bullying and harassment.

GuinnessBird · 30/11/2023 16:08

I'm not sure what you expected? Of course there will be opposition, just like there are gender critical groups.

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