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Does the UN realise women are human?

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TonTonMacoute · 27/11/2023 23:17

Britain could be blacklisted at the UN’s human rights body over its defence of biological sex, The Telegraph can reveal.
The Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) is facing a “special review” of its international accreditation after lobbying by trans rights groups led by Stonewall, the controversial LGBT charity.
The review could leave the EHRC stripped of its so-called “A status”, which means it would no longer have a place at the table of the UN Human Rights Council and other UN bodies.

Apparently the UN think Britain must be denied a voice on Human Rights - because we insist on standing up for women’s rights!

Equalities watchdog launches study aiming to ‘reduce distress’ in trans debate

New research for Equality and Human Rights Commission seeks to ‘foster good relations and respect’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/12/equalities-watchdog-launches-study-aiming-reduce-distress-trans/

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BettyFilous · 28/11/2023 08:44

It's about the treatment of trans people in a society, of which it is clear from these international bodies that the UK is running out of step with advancing all human rights.

Advancing for who? Women are losing access to rights and services they had won through making their case and which enable their full participation in society.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 08:40

It’s concerning what will happen if there’s a change at next GE

Badenoch saved Baroness Falkner

It could easily be witch hunt again and full capture

Labour will take us backwards

Brainworm · 28/11/2023 08:26

I'm not convinced that this is an old story. I think it is history repeating itself. The Telegraph published this yesterday web.archive.org/web/20231128043008/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/27/britain-faces-un-blacklist-over-trans-rights-lobby-ehrc/

Maya Forstater posted a really interesting thread on X yesterday about an organisation who conducted an independent review of the EHRC's leadership. It details how Faulkner has worked very hard to bring about change to make sure the commission functioned as an independent regulator as opposed to a lobbying group. It detailed the internal struggles to bring about this change.

At the end of the thread, Katy Montgomery replied with something along the like of 'They are no longer fighting for human rights'. For once, I didn't disagree with KM outright, but I disagree with what I think was her sentiment.

Having read the extracts of the review (the ones Maya posted), I thought that maybe lots of people are confused about the EHRCs function. I imagine any UN review of it would need to start from there. It's no good complaining that the EHRC isn't promoting trans rights, or any other group's rights, if it's role isn't an advocacy one!

Froodwithatowel · 28/11/2023 08:06

MishyJDI · 28/11/2023 06:55

A typical click bait article from the Telegraph.

The UN is saying biological sex, not women's right. This is a human rights issue. Remember around half of trans people are transmen. You probably work with them, and will never know.

It's about the treatment of trans people in a society, of which it is clear from these international bodies that the UK is running out of step with advancing all human rights.

The EHRC is a disgrace. It's clearly politically stacked and has low respect from sectors of the community it is meant to also represent. Why they have that is something for self reflection by the agency - though reality is they are a political branch, and the UN bodies can see through that and call it out.

No-one is taking away our women's rights in the UK. They are enshrined in the equalities act and all the exemptions are there as appropriate for separate sex facilities. It's up to each organisation how they implement it where appropriate for a legitimate purpose.

Most of the rest is political positioning and fear mongering - and the few bad eggs you get in any part of society. I guess it gives some people a hobby to get angry about.

That was today's party political broadcast from our alternative reality correspondent. Hope the weather is nice where you are.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 28/11/2023 07:28

It’s an old story & stonewall et Al were told ti get back in their box. TLDR - nothing happened at all

and frankly I couldn’t give af what the UN TWAW either https://x.com/un_women/status/1235977079839166464?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

https://x.com/un_women/status/1235977079839166464?s=46&t=aWQLrPtVicDNf6MQpq5WVg

Igmum · 28/11/2023 07:28

And also that we would never know that someone was a TM. Should have gone to Specsavers Mishy.

EasternStandard · 28/11/2023 07:28

NothingTraLaLa · 28/11/2023 07:21

That’s from March 2022. As I recall, the lobbyists were told to bog off, and the EHRC retained its A status.

Good

HereForTheFreeLunch · 28/11/2023 07:26

Thanks @NothingTraLaLa I thought this looked familiar.
But good to see Mishy quickly jump in and tell us biological sex is nothing to do with women's rights.

NothingTraLaLa · 28/11/2023 07:21

That’s from March 2022. As I recall, the lobbyists were told to bog off, and the EHRC retained its A status.

MishyJDI · 28/11/2023 06:55

A typical click bait article from the Telegraph.

The UN is saying biological sex, not women's right. This is a human rights issue. Remember around half of trans people are transmen. You probably work with them, and will never know.

It's about the treatment of trans people in a society, of which it is clear from these international bodies that the UK is running out of step with advancing all human rights.

The EHRC is a disgrace. It's clearly politically stacked and has low respect from sectors of the community it is meant to also represent. Why they have that is something for self reflection by the agency - though reality is they are a political branch, and the UN bodies can see through that and call it out.

No-one is taking away our women's rights in the UK. They are enshrined in the equalities act and all the exemptions are there as appropriate for separate sex facilities. It's up to each organisation how they implement it where appropriate for a legitimate purpose.

Most of the rest is political positioning and fear mongering - and the few bad eggs you get in any part of society. I guess it gives some people a hobby to get angry about.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2023 23:38

Haven't we been here before?

Precipice · 27/11/2023 23:34

Most UN countries don't even have policies of legal sex change, let alone self-ID.

Current member countries of the UN Human Rights Council are here: https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/current-members We can identify some countries with not the best track record of human rights policies, such as China, Qatar and Sudan.

I realise that those are countries and here we're talking about group accreditation, but I can't believe that there also isn't a vast range of groups involved.

Coolstorysis · 27/11/2023 23:33

Tbh Veronica I think a large percentage don't even know what the UN is, and are probably happier for it.

VeronicaSawyer89 · 27/11/2023 23:31

This is the same UN that took 6 weeks to even acknowledge that Jewish women were raped on Oct 7th, and put Iran at the head of its human rights division. I think everyone knows the UN is a bloody joke now.

lifeturnsonadime · 27/11/2023 23:27

But didn't you know women's rights is all about the menz? We are simply transphobic misandrists for thinking women are important.

Except in developing countries where female humans are still at a disadvantage. The minute they resolve that and are 'equal' back to square one!

Coolstorysis · 27/11/2023 23:22

And people berate "conspiracy theorists" this exact thing is the biggest psyop in the history of psyops, to redefine and stigmatise the word Woman is quite an achievement.

WhereIsBebèsChambre · 27/11/2023 23:19

Ah but they mean they want to protect proper, the best more womany women you know the ones that innately are. NOT yukky biological ones!