Parents of transgender teenager lose bid to stop mastectomy

'by not having indemnity insurances and putting her assets beyond the reach of the court so if you sued you and won you wouldn’t even get enough to pay a lawyer'

Unbelievable. How is it not clear to everyone it's a grift?

Talking about the legality or not of a mastectomy is a red herring in this case. But it is not one as clear cut as you present. There must still be consent and it would be legitimate to ask whether someone has consented if they think it would solve their psychiatric issues or ‘make them more of a man’ when it can do neither of these things. Or if they are mentally unwell, eg suicidal, and therefore unable to consent. That is why there are several young women in the United States suing doctors who removed their breasts. And why one particularly active Irish doctor in Florida has taken steps so as to prevent people suing her (by not having indemnity insurances and putting her assets beyond the reach of the court so if you sued you and won you wouldn’t even get enough to pay a lawyer).

I am not familiar with the Anna Castle and Mrs C action. Have just looked at their crowd justice. Is there a thread with more info?

It is horrific

If this is so common why is it always teen girls making the news? Where are the swaths if mid life crisis woman not running into their local GP’s - assuming you can get an appointment?

It’s a cult. It will always be a cult.

It’s a shame doctors aren’t assessing these girls properly.

I agree with the complicity of doctors in this. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Horrific.

I was sympathetic until my autistic daughter who was wearing boys clothes because they (the clothes) were comfortable was asked by CAMHS if she thought she was a boy.

Girls like my daughter, who happily informed CAMHS that she was indeed a girl are the ones at risk from this harmful ideology that results in young women harming their bodies.

Despite the fact that my autistic daughter knows that there is no wrong way to be a girl because I've shielded her from trans ideology she is STILL at risk of it because she loves sport and the same ideologists that would tell her because she doesn't present as a girl (because stereotypes) she might be a boy would have boys trample over her rights in sport. Her sport has a transwoman who won the county player of the year.

This whole thing harms women and girls.

Sorry for my rant, I know you agree. It just angers me that we are all supposed to have said, oh but the law agrees and ignore.

No fucking way!

For anyone able to do any gardening and who would like to push back on the current medical pathway for older adolescents, Anna Castle & Mrs C’s judicial review is in great need of support. A quick google should land you in the right garden.

But (speaking as a doctor myself), doctors have been hugely complicit in all this. It's not just the surgeons who perform the actual surgery, it's every HCP who has been part of indoctrinating teens into believing that they need the surgery. This belief didn't arise out of the blue: it was created and doctors were at the forefront of that creation.

So, when a teen demands a mastectomy, she is demanding it because doctors have taught her that that is the cure for her dysmorphia. Personally I hope to see every doctor who has actively promoted transition sued into penury.

This is a thread I remember from last year re someone post surgery then changing her mind and wanting to sue those involved in her operation. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4673382-us-woman-sues-after-gender-affirming-double-mastectomy?page=2&reply=121422965

I used to be very sympathetic but this thread started to change my mind. It sounds so demanding, "do what I say now or I'll ruin your career, you should be struck off for not doing this surgery' then a few years later 'I can't believe you did that to me, you've ruined my life you should be struck off!!'
Self centred, self important, attention seekers.

And did the person enjoy a long and happy and healthy life afterwards?

Back in the days dick-less men were called eunuchs, not women

The first gender reassignment surgery took place in 1931. It’s hardly a new phenomenon.

So your opinion is that radical harmful surgeries based on a complete lie is a good thing?

OK then.

Why aren't there 100s of middle aged women queuing up for radical mastectomies because they are the wrong gender, or is this a social contagion that is harmful to YP whose brains are not fully developed to understand the implication to their bodies or that they are being sold a lie that a mastectomy makes them a man?

Yes I have read the judgement.

I was not the poster who started the conversation about double mastectomies. I am just responding to those who did.

It's clear you haven't read my posts because you completely ignore the fact that I agree with you that it's not right that healthy young women can have mastectomies for cosmetic reasons.

That doesn't mean my brain falls out when thinking about the law, which is relevant to the link in the OP. I can accept the law is one thing whilst also disagreeing with it.

I don't know how much clearer I can be.

This is STILL just your opinion.

Same right back at you Flickersy

I think that this decision is morally wrong. I don't think that people should have the right legally, especially young people , to modify their bodies in a harmful way. I don't see a difference between this and a person removing healthy limbs because they want to be disabled.

That is my point.

You will no doubt come back again to tell me 'but it's the law'. Go for it. I'm ignoring your deflection from now on.

It is also illegal to drive a car over 70 mph on a motorway, for someone to pass themselves off as a policeman, and to propagate giant hogweeed. And these things had as much relevance to this judgement as the legality of a bilateral mastectomy on a healthy woman.

Did you read the judgement?

I haven't said I"m arguing the legalities of this decision. Please quote the post where I have.

I didn't say you were - I am talking about the legalities.

I'm arguing the morality of this decision and you keep telling me I shouldn't because 'it's the law'.

Again, please could you quote where I have said that you shouldn't discuss the morality of this situation?

You appear to be reading completely different posts to what I've actually typed. The fact you can't quote me on any of the above tells me you have very little argument and rely on twisting others posts so you can have a go.

I haven't said I"m arguing the legalities of this decision. Please quote the post where I have.

I'm arguing the morality of this decision and you keep telling me I shouldn't because 'it's the law'.

I can draw my own inferences about your intentions from that.

Where have I said we can't discuss the moralities of a legal decision? Please quote the post.

I have said we can't argue with the legalities of this particular court decision as it is correct in law as things currently stand.

So on a discussion forum you don't think we should discuss the fact that we think a legal decision is morally wrong?

Why is that?

Not fine at all, in my opinion. But those pushing "affirmative treatment" have been astonishingly successful in normalising such mutilation. Apparently finding it disturbing is unkind.

Medical misogyny is crazy, no wonder plenty of women are also using this loophole to escape every day misogyny. We should all do it, reckon men’s services will adapt their terminology of the word man to accommodate us? Of course not that’s just wishful thinking. Let’s hope the person carrying out their surgery isn’t a biological male as women’s mortality rates increase.

What is the difference in this between a woman removing healthy breast tissue because she has a belief she can change sex (which is demonstrably wrong) or removing a leg because she's trans -abled?

There's no difference, IMO. But my opinion doesn't mean anything when a judge is handing down a decision. Then it's only the law that matters.

We can campaign for that law to be changed, but until it is then this was sadly the correct decision.