Gender Criticals - how are you going to vote in the election?

Receipts please.

Eww. Labour really are banking on women putting their own interests second, aren't they?
And the alternatives are proven liars, craven fools, bullies and creeps.

@EasternStandard But that's a debate for another day and much more general than the question this thread is asking. I've said what I want on this issue now and made my views clear, so am ducking out.

The thing is that women who lobby Labour on this issue are being ignored and dismissed as bigots.

I can't vote for that.

Do you actually think the Tories have cut funding to public services because we can't afford it? Do you think they are efficiently using public money?

The money is going into their pockets my friend.

There’s not much between them bar this

How will they fund it?

I suppose that's something we have to take up with them.

We're in between a rock and hard place, absolutely, I do agree with you.

But at the end of the day, this is a two party country - it's going to be either Labour or Conservatives in power - and the latter is going to basically kill a lot of people (as a result of killing the NHS).

I just can't put GC values above that, as much as I agree it needs to be lobbied and campaigned for.

I think the answer is more activism, rather than voting a very damaging government back into power.

But why are Labour forcing us to choose between women's rights and public services?

It's the same shit with a pronoun bow.

I don't think anyone is daft enough to think that Labour are going to save the day or be perfect, in any way. But we desperately need a swing away from this government and some support for public services which Labour will provide.

Of course, the narrative will change. From, those bastard Tories are going to tear down the nhs and sell it off to their nasty mates to ...the Labour Party will make the brave and difficult choices to return the nhs to its former glory, bringing down waiting times and slashing waiting lists for the British public by privitising heaps of shit.

And then we can all have a sigh of relief because Labour are in power. 🎉🎉

Frankly, that is the lesser of two evils. We can't let the NHS be destroyed and that is what the Tories will do.

I'm certainly not expecting Labour to magically fix anything.

Neither party is a good option.

But the NHS and public services are falling apart under 13 years of Tories in power. They are on their knees.

Voting the Tories back in would be absolutely bonkers for anyone who has a relative or friend who relies on health services, or a relative or friend with a disability, or basically anyone who isn't massively wealthy and able to pay for all of their own private healthcare.

Yes I am GC, yes it's important, but this Tory party are so utterly damaging in so many ways and they need to go. There are other ways to campaign and lobby for this issue (which, frankly, would need to be done with the Tories as well anyway - they are inept).

But Labour will introduce self ID, @limefrog.

And maybe Scotland-style 'hate crime' legislation too? 😠

That's fine, but if you're expecting Labour to magically fix the NHS I fear you are likely to be disappointed.

This lot seem incapable of doing much except shouting from the opposition benches about how oppressed trans people are and how nasty the Tories are.

Running a country? I have my doubts.

My friend died of cancer this year because the NHS were under so much pressure that they couldn't see him in time. By the time he started treatment, he was stage 4 and it was too late.

I know too many other people who have similar stories.

The Tories are letting the NHS die a slow death, and that for me is priority number 1.

But Labour will introduce self ID, @limefrog.

That is an absolute dealbreaker for me and it would show that they really do not give a fuck about women.

That's true, but people will still have to lobby for change regardless. It's not like the Tories are actually getting things right either, and at least Labour will put some investment where it is desperately needed.

I'm not prepared to sacrifice desperately needed investment in public services for this issue - especially when I don't believe the Tories are actually doing anything about it anyway.

I have a male relative who prefers to have women for this reason, he feels less vulnerable with female carers.

For this reason I wouldn’t argue that men should only have other men to provide intimate care.

Vulnerable men and boys may also prefer to have a female nurse. Which is handy considering that nearly 90% of nurses are women.

Good point about percentages but I would still prefer women to have the option. I think narrowing the pool automatically could lead to longer waiting times in some cases.

To be crystal clear Ithink that women should have the right to single sex care if that's what they want.

Some male patients incidentally prefer female carers for some procedures as they do not have a disliked feeling of sexual vulnerability to a woman that they do to a man.

As pp says.

Plus some women will be fine with mixed sex care, and as an employer you are going to have your client base and likely needs in mind when you're planning who is the best candidate for the job.

None of this is an excuse to tell women 'either you let this bloke crack on with handling your body whether or not you're ok with it, or no matter how distressed it makes you, or you go without care'.

I mean, do we do diversity and inclusion or don't we? Do we care about vulnerabilities or not?

The only reason this is an issue at all is because some men are kicking off that some women won't let those men handle them and use them for validation if those men happen to identify as women. That's all. Let's be honest about this. It's not about whether mixed sex care is better or the only option - in which case the problem would be ok what do we do about meeting the needs of our clients who cannot have male carers and prioritise the female workers for that caseload. It's about those men having a pout that women say no to them and about trying to force consent.

Any male worker more interested in his need to handle a non consenting women and force her to submit than in the needs, diversity, feelings and best interests of his client? Wtf are you doing employing him in this role?

89% of nurses and midwives in the UK are female.

This is only those registered with the NMC, I wouldn’t expect it to be dramatically different amongst health care assistants.

Most importantly I think that a woman who has been traumatised by male violence takes precedence over the woman who lacks patience.

Moreover, in an ideal world we would have separate wards for men and women and only female nurses and nursing assistants would be employed on women’s wards, so the situation of having to wait for a female member of staff would not come up at all.

Do you think 50% of professional carers are male? Couldn't the far smaller numbers of male carers care for men...as a radical solution?