Sandi Toksvig "doesn't get it", poor love....

Me, too. And I'm a lesbian.

But some do go along with the trans line, and, like you, I'm baffled by it.

Remarkable! Just remarkable.

This is starting to remind me of those MiL threads where some woman's saying 'she's burned down the house and eaten the children, AIBU to say she's a cow?' and someone will say accusingly "You don't like her do you?"

Well no. Obviously not. And that's not a crime for a woman.

I find someone who thinks vulnerable women should be harmed and excluded and that all women should be subordinated to men's use by law is pretty unlikeable, yes.

There are different kinds of intelligence. Toksvig may have other kinds, but in this, yes, she's demonstrating the capacity of a yard of lard.

Indeed.

Haha!!

"You're just like TRAs"

Actually being shamed, whilst being scolded for shaming. 🤣😁

Still, can't fault your multitasking skills!

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the less generous interpretation.

You don't have to agree with her. I don't.

But calling her names, making digs at her background etc - that goes beyond disagreement and is no better than the TRAs.

Nah. Feminists aren't supposed to agree with everything other women say. What if they say the opposite to each other? Or the opposite of feminism?

Strewth, we'd be running around like headless chickens with no time to make the sandwiches.

I have never liked her as she's always such a bloody know it all.

But I am truly astounded that someone who has never breastfed can give advice like that. So many mothers struggle with breastfeeding, as did I, and now we're supposed to remember to be discreet and not upset anyone as well. Well, that's us told. 😡

Shes a nepo baby? Sheesh, I dont know why I didn't ever figure this out sooner.

Bloody hell I used to love watching her in various programmes. What the hell, she must know what the issues are. I dont have her education or lifestyle but I can see the problems from space. It's not all that hard to figure out allowing men in, leaves women out.

So, what brings you to the discussion on a public board?

Yes I am.
Thank you.

but to shame women, even only a little bit, is unfeminist.

And the posts on here calling her a twat, a traitor, and numerous other insults are doing what, exactly?

I don't agree with her but this thread is very in the vein of the TRAs. Woman has wrongthink opinion, how dare she.

Cheers,you're very kind.

What's the book those breastfeeding etiquette lessons are published in, Pothole?

Sandi's problem here is she's very satisfied in finding middle ground. This means she is missing the initial imbalance - otherwise called oppression. So the 'middle ground' between people shaming women for breastfeeding and people being entirely accepting and unconcerned about women breastfeeding is to shame them a little bit.

This - Sandi probably thinks she’s being oh so reasonable, but to shame women, even only a little bit, is unfeminist.

I think in terms of trans rights, Sandi has nailed her colours to the TWAW mast and can’t reverse ferret now. It doesn’t affect her personally and as we know from that book extract, she believes women need to put other people’s feelings and comfort ahead of their own.

Oh noes! I cannot imagine what Sandi would have said about mother’s group lunches with some one sitting breastfeeding blanket/shawless at any one time! Sometimes two! Sometimes three! Naughty Mummies! So much exhibitionism.

Whilst my opinion is actually none of your business @ArthurbellaScott this was not actually a statement about Sandi!
School playground indeed!

Congratulations, I'm pleased for you.

Someone else who is putting herself up as a supposed supporter of and champion for women who is failing us. Its not about 'liking' someone. This isn't the school playground. This is political representation for half the population.

Getting longer by the day.

Someone else you don't like, it's a long long list!

The vibe I'm getting is Billie Jean King's attitude. BJK is practically passionate about male inclusion in women's sports which goes back to the 70s with her championing of trans tennis player Renee Richards.

It's inexplicable to the rest of us, and yes I'm sure there's a big unconscious element of 'this won't actually affect me'.

I feel Sandi's mind was made up long ago like BJK and nothing will change that now.

And another thing - if someone has a problem 'keep calm and don't engage'.

Fuck that. Shout at them and throw things, cause a scene.

Joking. In fact women could inform them that breastfeeding is legally protected. They could stick up for themselves. But Sandi would prefer us to remain demurely tight lipped. Is that to atone for having incensed then with our wanton breast exposure?

Be discreet?! BE DISCREET?!

This woman claims to be on the side of women? Fucking how, exactly, by giving us admonishments in not looking like brazen hussies as we wantonly FEED BABIES?!?!

I thought we got over nonsense like this in the 1980s, and from someone supposedly a feminist, you'd think, what, 60s? Go much further back of course and we'd hit the era before anyone ever even imagined it was necessary to shame women for feeding their baby.

Sandi's problem here is she's very satisfied in finding middle ground. This means she is missing the initial imbalance - otherwise called oppression. So the 'middle ground' between people shaming women for breastfeeding and people being entirely accepting and unconcerned about women breastfeeding is to shame them a little bit.

We're mammals, Sandi. Women feeding babies is utterly unremarkable and morally neutral. So many women struggle to even establish, and you're here helpfully suggesting how they can avoid upsetting people with their breasts?

I mean, okay, but what the fuck is she doing in a political party that claims to be about supporting women?