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ResisterRex · 23/11/2023 13:02

The BBC has lifted the story from here:

www.edp24.co.uk/news/23940189.nick-rose-resigns-conservative-candidate-norwich/?ref=suit

It's hard to tell - even with the clip - whether the comments were made in front of children. Neither news outlet states whether children were present, or what age they were. Therefore it's hard to say whether the Trust's response was in response to the audience age.

I don't like what he has to say. But he should be allowed to say what he thinks at a hustings.

The link above seems to show that due diligence is lacking. Someone like this is always going to be the story, rather than someone serving the public.

KStockHERO · 23/11/2023 13:02

Summerhillsquare · 23/11/2023 12:47

He's a prick for putting the responsibility on women. These people aren't our friends.

I agree with this so fucking hard.

"How on earth, all of you ladies here, can allow a bloke in a dress to come into your loos? It's disgusting."

Paradoxically tone deaf to the threat facing women who challenge these men, while the whole point of 'no men in women's spaces' rhetoric is about the threat that men pose. I really think these kind of men just fundamentally don't get the issue in the round, and aren't actually willing to listen to women when we talk about it which is ironic because that's exactly the trouble with the TRAs.

Froodwithatowel · 23/11/2023 12:59

Oh yay! It's another 'I once believed women should have equality to men but then I saw women being mean and nasty to men and now I'm male supremascist' one.

No love, I don't think you were ever interested in equality for women.

alrighthen · 23/11/2023 12:55

I was mildly gender critical for a couple of years but have since changed my mind.

When I see idiots like this one dismiss such a complex issue to ‘blokes in loos’ - never mind the nasty ‘immigrant invasion’ part - I feel more certain I’m on the right side of the debate.

Can’t believe so many are defending him here. At least Graham Linehan is thoughtful and articulate. This guy is a twat.

Tukmgru · 23/11/2023 12:53

God I hate this endless, utterly bullshit anti-migrant rhetoric that comes from these knobheads. And apparently at least one PP.

Froodwithatowel · 23/11/2023 12:51

And does this 'inclusive environment' the school is so proud of include female children who want rights, equality and male free spaces? And include those who don't even get a choice about this but through protected characteristics can't?

It's that female exclusionary male supremacist kind of 'inclusion' again, where the word's being used to disguise the actual truth.

Which is interesting because the main beef seems to be 'bloke in a dress' does not sufficiently disguise the actual truth.

PorcelinaV · 23/11/2023 12:49

Crikeyalmighty · 23/11/2023 12:41

He sounds nice !

I'm not sure we should censor political candidates, even in a school debate, just because some people may not think they are being "nice".

Is "niceness" the only thing that matters?

What about fairness? What about privacy of people?

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Summerhillsquare · 23/11/2023 12:47

He's a prick for putting the responsibility on women. These people aren't our friends.

usernamealreadytaken · 23/11/2023 12:46

Crikeyalmighty · 23/11/2023 12:41

He sounds nice !

Yes, he does - standing up for women's rights and all (the sort of women who don't have a penis, for clarification). Would you prefer he just kept quiet?

SuperDuperCabriolet · 23/11/2023 12:45

I agree with him. On both points

Froodwithatowel · 23/11/2023 12:45

You'd like him to be more tactful in expressing that men who identify as women should not be in women's spaces? At what point did the truth get too truthy?

PorcelinaV · 23/11/2023 12:44

So it seems that "inclusivity" becomes the justification for censorship of alternative views.

They allow a "broad range of views", but suggesting that "men aren't women" is just going way too far for them.

So "broad range of views" really means strict ideological censorship apparently.

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Crikeyalmighty · 23/11/2023 12:41

He sounds nice !

PorcelinaV · 23/11/2023 12:35

Quote from the BBC article:

A Conservative Parliamentary candidate has resigned after it emerged he made controversial comments about transgender people and migrants during a school debate.

Nick Rose was set to contest the Norwich North seat at the next general election, having been selected by members of the Norwich Conservative Federation on 29 October.

On Tuesday, an education trust lodged a complaint against Mr Rose.

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In a video posted online... he appeared to say: "A bloke wearing a dress who identifies as a woman should be in a male prison [and] should not be allowed in women's toilets. For goodness sake.

"How on earth, all of you ladies here, can allow a bloke in a dress to come into your loos? It's disgusting."

He also made comments about migrants entering the UK illegally, describing their arrival as an "invasion".

In response, Don Evans, chief executive of the Broad Horizons Education Trust, which runs the school, said: "We do not feel those comments were appropriate to be aired in a school environment in the manner he chose to do so, as they conflict with the inclusive environment of the school community and are at odds with the content of the school's curriculum.

"Whilst we fully support the principle that our students should experience a broad range of views and opinions, we cannot allow our schools to become a platform for views that are fundamentally incompatible with our approach and ethos."

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