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Are all school counsellors captured?

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ellieboo9 · 20/11/2023 22:45

Not sure if this is the right section for this, but my 10 yr old DD has been experiencing some unkindness at school (other kids calling her weird) and is very down, saying she hates herself etc. She has suggested going to see the counsellor at school (a few of her classmates have been and always seem to come back with sweets and glitter in their hair which I think has piqued her interest). However, I'm wary of the whole idea as the website says the counsellor keeps everything confidential and won't tell parents what has been discussed. My biggest worry is that I have no idea what side of the fence the counsellor sits on and I fear she might suggest that DD's self-esteem issues stem from being trans. I'm also just generally uneasy about the idea of any adult being alone with my child and effectively having 'confidences' with her that I'm not party to. Am I overthinking this? How does counselling for kids usually work?

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PinkFrogss · 21/11/2023 11:13

Can you stop her seeing them? I thought kids could just pop in to see the school counsellor as they wished without it going via parents. If that is the case for your child’s school I’d suggest “letting” her, and having open and honest conversations.

That way if something like you’re worried about we’re to happen (which seems unlikely) she more likely to talk to you about it than if she had gone to see the counsellor in private knowing you disagreed.

XNotT · 21/11/2023 11:01

I strongly recommend you don't let your dc go.

Giving dc sweets and glitter is incredibly manipulative and the counsellor should not engage these young children in this way. It reinforces the power imbalance between the counsellor and child / client and leaves the child feeling indebted / grateful for the sweet and glitter as well as the special attention this person is giving them.

Almost all of these 'counsellors' have done a fairly short training and they are NOT accredited counsellors they are child mental health practitioners. You could teach yourself the techniques they use form a couple of book son the topic on Amazon.

With or without the worry about trans ideology it is a highly questionable intervention, I know because my dc was offered it because her friends in school treated her badly and she was shy. One of her friends has been with our school's mental health practitioner for 3 years I didn't want this for my dc.

Instead, I bought a worry journal off amazon as well as a gratitude journal for her and for myself and every so often we sat together and filled in our journals and shared and talked about what we had written after. This helped normalise that everyone can feel bad about things or themselves and their relationships at times, even parents and that if we try and reframe some thing in a more optimistic and positive way we can see other aspects and opportunities to overcome difficulties, that are part of everyone's life. This helped her not fear feeling sad or anxious but accept it as part of a wide range of human emotions. We also talked about practical steps to tackle things that are causing issues at school. For us this approach worked well. I do not support half-baked pseudo psychology from strangers who for the most part have had max 12-18 months of training, many haven't been to university. There are some excellent child CBT books you can work through as well although it helps if you have done cbt yourself, which i have.

I studied psychology at university and have read dozens of self help and life philosophy books over the years. I am also a trained peer supporter for a charity. I believe firmly that empowering children so they feel they have some control and helping them see they can change many things that are difficult or not ideal but some things cannot be changed and they have to put up and adapt. That's life and it's best they learn this without being treated with special glitter and given treats to make them feel like they need to be mollycoddled. To me this approach reinforces the idea they are damaged and helpless rather than building them up. Most issues are part of normal life for kids, and if they are not, it's usually bullying related in which case the school has to deal with the bullies not give glitter and sugar to kids who are being bullied or there is neuro diversity in which case they will need specialist support, not a half baked mental health assistant. Children are vulnerable by definition and easy to influence, I do not at all trust anyone who will keep information from parents. It's a safeguarding red flag. In our case, my dc was actually given one of these session without the mental health support assistant actually obtaining my consent 😂Safe to say, this was the only session that I allowed to happen.

You should also know that your dc will miss out lesson time for this highly questionable intervention. Don't do it is my advice. Most issues can be resolved with loving and educated parental support.

RavingStone · 21/11/2023 10:44

It's normal to meet the counsellor first. Many also work privately so it is worth checking online profiles.

The most fervent believers in gender ideology tend to virtue signal quite a bit so it might be easy to find out. Check if they say online what their area of expertise and interest is, what extra training they've done. Given that counsellors in schools are typically less experienced, if they claim competence in anything "gender" I'd avoid. Non-ideological therapists know this area is a minefield at the moment and are less likely to advertise for it unless extremely established and experienced (but then they're probably not working for low wages in a school!).

If you can't work it out online, meet them and ask their thoughts. Check they are a member of a professional body such as bacp or ukcp. Say you are speaking in confidence to them and you don't give permission for them to keep a record of what you say.

Springcleaninginsummer · 21/11/2023 09:22

Find out where the counsellor comes from and check out their website. Most come from small charities and should be affiliated with BACP. Although that organisation is going down the captured route, at least the members have all been trained in ethics and should be putting the child at the centre of the work. You might find a local charity that can provide counselling for her. At her age it would be very unethical to open any discussion into sexuality. The work should be around strengths/feelings and developing a growth mindset.

HagoftheNorth · 21/11/2023 09:19

I’d agree with your wariness!

Counselling can be invaluable, but there needs to be a huge amount of trust in the counsellor, for both the child and their parents. I would strongly recommend meeting the counsellor first and making your own assessment. If you can afford it, maybe finding help outside school would work better for you - although it would probably lack the sweets and hair glitter attraction!