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Critically acclaimed Trans gender author says Twin Towers was principled destruction

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Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 17:34

I don't know if anyone has posted this already but the same person shared the desire to slit JKs throat a little while ago

Critically acclaimed Trans gender author says Twin Towers was principled destruction
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Freddder · 20/11/2023 08:44

NitroNine · 19/11/2023 21:36

UK
October 1959 - October 1964: Conservative
October 1964 - June 1970:
Labour
June 1970 - March 1974
Conservative
March 1974 - May 1979
Labour
May 1979 - May 1997
Conservative
May 1997 - May 2010
Labour
May 2010 - May 2015
Conservative/Liberal Democrat Coalition
May 2015 - present
Conservative

You do not need to be a mathematical genius to see that, since the start of the 1960s, the right have been in power here for almost twice as long as the left have.

Obviously the UK isn’t the world; so the obvious other place to look, geopolitically speaking, is the US. Where the picture regarding power is of course more complicated, but the obvious place to start is with Presidents.
Presidents
[1960] Eisenhower (R)
1961-1963 Kennedy (D)
1963-1969 Johnson (D)
1969-1974 Nixon (R)
1974-1977 Ford (R)
1977-1981 Carter (D)
1981-1989 Reagan (R)
1989-1993 Bush (R)
1993-2001 Clinton (D)
2001-2009 W. Bush (R)
2009-2017 Obama (D)
2017-2021 Trump (R)
2021-now Biden (D)

So the Republicans have had 33 years & the Democrats around 29 years 10 months of the Presidency each since 1960. Fairly even. But the balancing act with the legislature (I’m not going to try to evaluate the third side of the triangle here!) does shift the picture somewhat. Nonetheless, it all arguably becomes moot when one considers that the Democrats are not, in fact, a left-wing party at all 🤷‍♀️

Personally I appreciate those crazy leftist notions that have persisted, like universal health care. I am very much enjoying my neither being dead nor having bankrupted my family with my wanton crippledom.

Thanks, you are seeing the same thing I see and coming to a completely different conclusion I guess.

I am seeing those stats and concluding that they prove that the general population cannot make a difference via the ballot box. There is a very good book I’m reading about it now called the populist delusion.

Is the U.K. more or less left progressive than it was when the Tories were elected in 2010? I’d say more and therefore conclude that electing a conservative government cannot or at least has not stopped this leftwards drift, you seem to be saying the fact we’ve had a conservative government for the last 13 years means that we have been moving to the right for the last 13 years if I understand you?

Freddder · 20/11/2023 08:33

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 21:11

I haven't heard that phrase in years

Had forgotten about it

Will have to start using it again. So many people I want to say that too on mumsnet

Yeah it’s what leftists tend to do when they don’t have real arguments, they often just insult and attack the person instead. Look at all the personal attacks JKR has had, it’s just because they don’t have an argument... So disappointing really, but it does reveal what they are I suppose…,

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 23:04

Theunamedcat · 19/11/2023 18:05

That's appalling are they mentally unstable or just an unspeakable cunt? I'm sorry for my strong feelings but fuck there are places you just don't go

As I've seen written on here before, they can't be a cunt, they lack the warmth and depth.

catduckgoose · 19/11/2023 22:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/11/2023 20:35

I read somewhere that the Guardian version was heavily edited to remove a lot of the homophobia and gloating about killing people.

web.archive.org/web/20021127081250/www.observer.co.uk:80/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

^ first archive after publishing in Nov 2002

web.archive.org/web/20231115081501/www.theguardian.com/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

^ last archive before it was removed Nov 2023

It looks like the same text with the same awful message justifying killing people and the same homophobia.

Guardian Unlimited Observer | Special reports | Full text: bin Laden's 'letter to America'

https://web.archive.org/web/20021127081250/http://www.observer.co.uk:80/worldview/story/0,11581,845725,00.html

Binglebong · 19/11/2023 21:36

I would say a lot of deeply unpleasant people ideas being on the left. But as we know that often has little relation to reality!

I think there is no real thing as left and right any more, both have policies that you would expect to see on the other side so they are a mush mash now.

NitroNine · 19/11/2023 21:36

Freddder · 19/11/2023 19:24

Deny it all you want. But it’s still true. We are living in the world the left built since the 1960’s at least.

Edited

UK
October 1959 - October 1964: Conservative
October 1964 - June 1970:
Labour
June 1970 - March 1974
Conservative
March 1974 - May 1979
Labour
May 1979 - May 1997
Conservative
May 1997 - May 2010
Labour
May 2010 - May 2015
Conservative/Liberal Democrat Coalition
May 2015 - present
Conservative

You do not need to be a mathematical genius to see that, since the start of the 1960s, the right have been in power here for almost twice as long as the left have.

Obviously the UK isn’t the world; so the obvious other place to look, geopolitically speaking, is the US. Where the picture regarding power is of course more complicated, but the obvious place to start is with Presidents.
Presidents
[1960] Eisenhower (R)
1961-1963 Kennedy (D)
1963-1969 Johnson (D)
1969-1974 Nixon (R)
1974-1977 Ford (R)
1977-1981 Carter (D)
1981-1989 Reagan (R)
1989-1993 Bush (R)
1993-2001 Clinton (D)
2001-2009 W. Bush (R)
2009-2017 Obama (D)
2017-2021 Trump (R)
2021-now Biden (D)

So the Republicans have had 33 years & the Democrats around 29 years 10 months of the Presidency each since 1960. Fairly even. But the balancing act with the legislature (I’m not going to try to evaluate the third side of the triangle here!) does shift the picture somewhat. Nonetheless, it all arguably becomes moot when one considers that the Democrats are not, in fact, a left-wing party at all 🤷‍♀️

Personally I appreciate those crazy leftist notions that have persisted, like universal health care. I am very much enjoying my neither being dead nor having bankrupted my family with my wanton crippledom.

agent765 · 19/11/2023 21:28

Attention-seeking, mentally unstable bloke. One of many, unfortunately.

Doesn't he realise that OBL's lot would not be welcoming him with open arms?

EasternStandard · 19/11/2023 21:23

Freddder · 19/11/2023 20:13

Ahhh you seem to think real power lies with this failing government that’s soon coming to an end and not in the institutions that actually govern and guide society and the media that manipulates public opinion?

If the right were actually in charge the Rwanda plan would have actually happened. Because the law would have been written in such a way to ensure that it would happen. It wouldn’t just be talk to try and manipulate a bunch of gullible right wingers into voting Tory again.

There is a reason why people like suella Braverman and priti patel never seem to be able to get anything done.

Institutions and media do hold a fair bit of power. And unlike a government they are hard to change

It’s why when people say an institution is captured most people recognise that’s a very difficult thing for women to challenge

The media here is split thankfully but somewhere where it is entirely captured is very difficult again, NZ perhaps

Then the laws too are on the side of men, the GRA and EU law

So yes, women are getting it from more angles than just a gov, in fact on this they’ve been left without much power to change.

How would we repeal the GRA?

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 21:11

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 20:59

The phrase "are you on glue?" Isn't used enough any more...

I haven't heard that phrase in years

Had forgotten about it

Will have to start using it again. So many people I want to say that too on mumsnet

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popebishop · 19/11/2023 21:10

When I go on holiday I do come across frequent flyers sometimes. Never really the sort I engage in conversation!

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 20:59

The phrase "are you on glue?" Isn't used enough any more...

SnowflakeSparkles · 19/11/2023 20:56

Freddder · 19/11/2023 19:24

Deny it all you want. But it’s still true. We are living in the world the left built since the 1960’s at least.

Edited

Okay little buddy 😊

Circumferences · 19/11/2023 20:44

Deny it all you want. But it’s still true. We are living in the world the left built since the 1960’s at least.

😂🤣 WTAF.

So we've all just imagined that the Tories have been in power here for approximately 80 years out of the last 100 years. Labour have had approx 18 years in power in a century.
Are we supposed to believe the Tories are left wing now?

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 19/11/2023 20:37

I don't usually comment on appearances but those eyes are terrifying.

Sexnotgender · 19/11/2023 20:36

IClaudine · 19/11/2023 18:04

Who critically acclaimed this person?

Other men probably.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/11/2023 20:35

I read somewhere that the Guardian version was heavily edited to remove a lot of the homophobia and gloating about killing people.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 19/11/2023 20:32

I heard about all the praising of Osama Bin Laden by young people on Tik Tok. It’s bizarre this has become a thing.

EasternStandard · 19/11/2023 20:26

All this stuff has unleashed the next level of attack on women

It’s underpinned by the law, and reinforced by institutions

No wonder men are entirely emboldened to express violent thoughts

I wish we could actually close it off

CaramacFiend · 19/11/2023 20:24

They're bonkers but I don't see how this relates to feminism or trans stuff. It's just a crazy dude.

Grimchmas · 19/11/2023 20:22

I'm pretty sure that the younger trans identifying people are all to busy naval gazing to notice.

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 20:16

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:47

They might be pretty representative of some of the other activists in this space, however.

It amazes me that ordinary trans people aren’t shouting from the rooftops that these activists do not represent them. But they are probably extremely fearful of the kind of vicious backlash they’d suffer - in real life as well as online.

Exactly this

I remember a few trans people speaking out that have lived that life from way before it became a big thing as it were. They got so much abuse at the beginning of all this madness they just shut up after that.

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Freddder · 19/11/2023 20:13

IClaudine · 19/11/2023 19:33

Because they’re on the left and the establishment are on the left

The Rwanda plan is left wing? "Stop the boats" is a left wing slogan? Targeting the poorest in society and threatening them with withdrawal of free prescriptions is left wing? What are you on about?

Ahhh you seem to think real power lies with this failing government that’s soon coming to an end and not in the institutions that actually govern and guide society and the media that manipulates public opinion?

If the right were actually in charge the Rwanda plan would have actually happened. Because the law would have been written in such a way to ensure that it would happen. It wouldn’t just be talk to try and manipulate a bunch of gullible right wingers into voting Tory again.

There is a reason why people like suella Braverman and priti patel never seem to be able to get anything done.

Trulywonderful · 19/11/2023 20:12

Freddder · 19/11/2023 19:26

Because they’re on the left and the establishment are on the left. It should be obvious to all that the U.K. has two tier policing.

It definitely seems likely you are right at the moment

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Maray1967 · 19/11/2023 20:01

VeronicaSawyer89 · 19/11/2023 18:21

Oh FGS! I'm still very much left wing, a lot of my beliefs align with those of socialists. I'm also gender critical, pro Israel and hate all the woke bollocks.

You’re not the only one. This sums up my views nicely.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:47

IClaudine · 19/11/2023 19:37

I don't think the average trans person thinks like this person. They are just a nasty, inadequate loudmouth on Twitter.

They might be pretty representative of some of the other activists in this space, however.

It amazes me that ordinary trans people aren’t shouting from the rooftops that these activists do not represent them. But they are probably extremely fearful of the kind of vicious backlash they’d suffer - in real life as well as online.