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The worst cervical cancer campaign ever...

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PizzazzRoxyStorma · 18/11/2023 15:13

...well isn't this one special? Hmm

https://x.com/northwestcancer/status/1724378139059503400?s=46&t=FvzNePXGikWIJeOA86F8cg

The worst cervical cancer campaign ever...
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Catsanfan · 19/11/2023 11:28

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 11:25

No. Just no.

I'm not sure I can muster any appropriate words for that

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 11:25

Whatthechicken · 19/11/2023 10:41

It reminded me of this ‘campaign’…

A large pair of legs have appeared on the gates of a Glasgow park where a serious sexual assault took place in a bid to draw attention to women's safety.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/spread-legs-artwork-glasgow-park-24768696?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

No. Just no.

NotGoingToLie · 19/11/2023 11:19

At work we are fully behind Movember and men’s health. But when it comes to women, it has to be women+
It enrages me. God forbid we get anything to ourselves.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 11:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/11/2023 10:57

All they’re trying to do is decrease the stigma around having a smear test

How do you suppose this campaign does that?

It’s a cliche, but it is still worth remembering that ‘just wanting ti decrease stigma’ does not mean you actually are doing so.

Or that, even if you do achieve your aim to some extent, it won’t have a range of unintended negative consequences.

fox tv GIF by Last Man Standing
quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 11:07

RavingStone · 18/11/2023 20:29

How about a campaign which featured some of the HCPs who perform the test?

If you featured the people who have taken my smear over the last couple of decades it would be a truly varied group of female nurses of different ages, backgrounds and nationalities.

I think seeing women like them would be reassuring to potential patients. As would be hearing their tips for making it easier and hearing their own experiences of being the patient. A combination of humanising the experience, but also reminding us it is routine and mundane for them. They see a lot of bodies. And above all women need to know they can be in control of the experience. Their consent will be continually sought, everything will be explained, the nurse will female and nobody else will walk in.

Yes. Like Elaine Miller and her one woman campaign for pelvic floor health. Marvellous woman.

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 11:01

CorruptedCauldron · 18/11/2023 20:05

Women with vaginismus, those who have had bad experiences with smear tests, those who have survived sexual assault, those who come from a religious background or culture… I mean, what the heck? Not inclusive. It looks like a promo for a Lovely Legs competition on a seaside resort in the 1970s. It’s nudge, nudge, wink wink. Ooh saucy. Well let’s have a picture of a load of peaches lined up for a prostate awareness campaign, with a couple of clinking pint glasses and the message: Bottoms up, people! Keep everything peachy and give prostate cancer the finger!

Yes

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/11/2023 10:57

All they’re trying to do is decrease the stigma around having a smear test

How do you suppose this campaign does that?

LondonLass91 · 19/11/2023 10:56

RainWithSunnySpells · 19/11/2023 09:33

'Getting people talking' and 'raising awareness' in this way isn't the same as winning over your targeted audience and allaying their fears to the degree that they actually have a smear test. Reassuring traumatised women, women who have found the test painful or getting the message to women who have English as an additional language is the key here.

This campaign just has completely the wrong feeling and presentation. It isn't reassuring! It doesn't have clear language!

100%

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 10:55

LoobiJee · 18/11/2023 18:49

There are many things that are very very wrong with that campaign.

One of them is that the installation appears to be in a railway station concourse. Public transport is too often a hostile and intimidating environment for women and girls in which they are at risk of sexual harassment. And the absolute geniuses at cancer research think that displaying facsimiles of women’s naked legs, on a station concourse, which will have stag dos, football fans, and your common or garden perves passing through, is just the perfect way to make women safer?

But I’m sure which ever marketing guru came up with that thinks it’ll do wonders for their CV.

And this.

kneehightoacat · 19/11/2023 10:53

People?

People?

😡

quantumbutterfly · 19/11/2023 10:46

nocoolnamesleft · 18/11/2023 15:56

Looks like it's designed by men, for the male eye.

This.

WickerBaskitt · 19/11/2023 10:44

I don’t go because I was assaulted by a male dr when i was a teenager. This advert makes me feel angry and sick, as do the posters baiting the other women who have said that they don’t go and don’t like the advert.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 10:40

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 10:32

Can we stop pretending that ‘women open your legs’ is some sort of wonderful, empowering thing.

And pretending that men do not tell women to open their legs (and then all of society blames the woman for having done so).

and pretending that this kind of weird ‘sex positive’ approach is in any way helpful when we are talking about cervical screening. (Even more so when the HPV connection all too easily associates cervical cancer as a consequence of ‘opening your legs’).

Why does everything have to be ‘sexy’? No one insists men’s health is framed in sexualised ways. Or tries to present that as the way to ‘empower’ men.

especially when combined with the ridiculous confusion created around who might or might not have a cervix.

It doesn’t help that a woman created this. It’s still utter patriarchal bullshit. Women are just as conditioned by this crap as men.

Yep.

It is the very sexualised nature of the campaign that contributes to be counter productive to the audience that needs to pay attention.

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 10:37

From what I have gathered from this thread so far is that women who already know about cervical cancer and attend appointments seem to accept, or like to be spoken to this way. Women who know about cervical cancer and who don’t make appointments find it counter productive and offensive.

Who is the campaign aimed at again? Who are the women that need to be convinced?

I think we have a small sample right here of why this campaign is a fail. And we haven’t even scraped the surface of the communities that are highest in not attending appointments / not making appointments / even having the knowledge about the issue.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 10:32

Can we stop pretending that ‘women open your legs’ is some sort of wonderful, empowering thing.

And pretending that men do not tell women to open their legs (and then all of society blames the woman for having done so).

and pretending that this kind of weird ‘sex positive’ approach is in any way helpful when we are talking about cervical screening. (Even more so when the HPV connection all too easily associates cervical cancer as a consequence of ‘opening your legs’).

Why does everything have to be ‘sexy’? No one insists men’s health is framed in sexualised ways. Or tries to present that as the way to ‘empower’ men.

especially when combined with the ridiculous confusion created around who might or might not have a cervix.

It doesn’t help that a woman created this. It’s still utter patriarchal bullshit. Women are just as conditioned by this crap as men.

Chersfrozenface · 19/11/2023 10:29

All they’re trying to do is decrease the stigma around having a smear test and reduce the number of women dying from cancer.

Women? Women?

You mean people, surely.

There's no.mention of women on the ad

AIstolemylunch · 19/11/2023 10:25

I am judging an organisation who decided qokenpoints were important that's women's health.

IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 19/11/2023 10:25

Night409 · 19/11/2023 10:18

No one is ordering you to have a smear test.
If you don’t want to have one, that’s completely your choice.

But for years women have been taught that anything to do with their genitalia is dirty and wrong.
Periods were seen as dirty, sex was only for the man’s pleasure, having a ONS was fine for a man but wrong for a woman and we were always taught to be ashamed of our genitalia.

One of the biggest insults used by men is that women should keep their legs closed.

I’m sure many men will have an issue with the wording but that’s probably part of the shock factor of it, which helps to spread the message.

If this promotion encourages some women to have a smear test and ultimately reduce their risk of getting cancer, then it’s done a fantastic job.

All they’re trying to do is decrease the stigma around having a smear test and reduce the number of women dying from cancer.
You can’t really judge them for that.

And the women on here who are telling you it’s tone deaf are… what? Silly? Unimportant? The wrong sort of women?

Helleofabore · 19/11/2023 10:22

“You can’t really judge them for that.”

Yes. We can. We can criticise how this charity spends its funding when they produce a counter productive campaign. We don’t need to accept poor service in the name of gaining a few more women getting screened when the money could be better spent in better messaging and a better more far reaching campaign.

CorruptedCauldron · 19/11/2023 10:21

Yes Thomasina - the ignorance of some of these BeKind allies is astonishing. That’s why we need really clear messaging around women’s health. If educated politicians don’t get it, then someone who is not well-educated, or who has limited English language skills, is really going to struggle to understand. It’s time to call a spade a spade and stop pussyfooting around the hard, cold facts about biology. Mother Nature couldn’t care less how anybody “identifies” inside.

Night409 · 19/11/2023 10:18

InvisibleDuck · 19/11/2023 09:40

As a woman who doesn't have smear tests, for several reasons I won't derail this thread with, I can tell you that having another woman ordering me to 'open my legs' via an ad campaign is only slightly less off-putting than having a man do it. Not 'empowering' in the slightest. Quite the opposite. Likewise with calling women who decline 'divas' who care too much about their 'beavers' and all the other gross, quasi-sexualised messaging I've seen over the years on this subject.

No thank you.

No one is ordering you to have a smear test.
If you don’t want to have one, that’s completely your choice.

But for years women have been taught that anything to do with their genitalia is dirty and wrong.
Periods were seen as dirty, sex was only for the man’s pleasure, having a ONS was fine for a man but wrong for a woman and we were always taught to be ashamed of our genitalia.

One of the biggest insults used by men is that women should keep their legs closed.

I’m sure many men will have an issue with the wording but that’s probably part of the shock factor of it, which helps to spread the message.

If this promotion encourages some women to have a smear test and ultimately reduce their risk of getting cancer, then it’s done a fantastic job.

All they’re trying to do is decrease the stigma around having a smear test and reduce the number of women dying from cancer.
You can’t really judge them for that.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 19/11/2023 10:14

@CorruptedCauldron Wow I missed that! That’s so ridiculous. Obviously the people not wanting to use “women” are wanting to include transmen but even the supporters like Lammy don’t get it. Shows how much they pay attention and understand. It’s interesting that gender critical feminists get called ignorant when often I understand the point trying to be made more.

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2023 10:14

Things that I value.

Not being treated like a lump of meat in a conveyor belt (a line of legs in a row is truly awful imagery)
Having my concerns and issues listened to and understood not minimised or framed as somehow 'silly'
Not being treated as an idiot.
Understanding of being a woman and how this makes us vulnerable - by using the word woman rather than being reduced to my bits.

This campaign shits all over those important issues. And I would put money on those concerns being some of the top reasons for non-engagement with services.

I loath how screening is marketed in such a demeaning way. It's sexist. No health campaign is pitched at men this way. And don't get me started on the use of peer pressure to try and coerce.

It's vile.

Sell health messages on the basis of their merit. Not this shit.