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The Scottish Government has a Plan!

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Igneococcus · 17/11/2023 07:17

It really does, it says so. The plan has 50 points and is aimed at addressing the needs of the country's non-binary population. Maybe if all of us here in the Highlands&Islands declare ourselves NB they will build us some fecking ferries.
I will do a sharetoken when I'm on a different device in a bit.

Trans people promised better access to fertility treatments (thetimes.co.uk)

Trans people promised better access to fertility treatments

Scottish government draws up 50-point plan to address needs of non-binary population

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-people-promised-better-access-to-fertility-treatments-bspvb8x6c

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GoatsareGOAT · 27/11/2023 12:28

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2023 16:49

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bd566d41-90d9-4e72-a09e-0a598c8bd58b?shareToken=e38a53f71dd191ceae32788e36255c5c

'...Toni Giugliano, who until last month was the SNP policy convener....
has been selected to stand in Falkirk. Critics claim Giugliano placed undue pressure on local members to support him, tried to persuade others not to stand and breached spending limits in the internal contest.'

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Wow he sounds nice... maybe he's capable of making McNally missed 👀

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2023 16:50

'Last year Giugliano clashed with Joanna Cherry, the SNP MP for Edinburgh South West, after he claimed that Edinburgh feminists were spreading anti-trans “hate speech” in the city.'

The relevant bit for this board.

ArabellaScott · 26/11/2023 16:49

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bd566d41-90d9-4e72-a09e-0a598c8bd58b?shareToken=e38a53f71dd191ceae32788e36255c5c

'...Toni Giugliano, who until last month was the SNP policy convener....
has been selected to stand in Falkirk. Critics claim Giugliano placed undue pressure on local members to support him, tried to persuade others not to stand and breached spending limits in the internal contest.'

Senior SNP executive ‘cheated’ his way to Westminster seat selection

Former party convener Toni Giugliano is said to have pressurised members to support him, tried to persuade others not to stand and breached spending limits

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bd566d41-90d9-4e72-a09e-0a598c8bd58b?shareToken=e38a53f71dd191ceae32788e36255c5c

TripleDaisySummer · 20/11/2023 16:34

This woman a mortician first introduced me to the idea of Aquamation - her take is very USA industry take.

I'm not sure but a carboard box under a tree does have a certain appeal.

ECO-DEATH TAKEOVER: Changing the Funeral Industry

Aquamation, Recomposition, Conservation Burial, and so much more! 2018 is our year to make massive inroads, deathlings.Here's the list of questions to discu...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWo2-LHwGMM

BethDuttonsTwin · 20/11/2023 16:02

When the news broke that The Tavistock was closing, I posted on Twitter “it’s the beginning of the end!” One of the GC feminists I follows replied to me “I’m afraid not, it’s just the end of the beginning…”. I really thought she was being pessimistic but she wasn’t. She was right and I am now convinced that we are stuck with this. It’s embedded and we have to find a way to live with it and innoculate our children against it. My Mum was fretting about how all this BS might affect her other much younger grandchildren - mine are teens - I said “they’ll be used to it. This will be their normal.”

Scotland is lost.

WickedSerious · 20/11/2023 13:12

Needmoresleep · 19/11/2023 22:33

Kirsty Blackman MP for Aberdeen perhaps? Who does not know what chromosomes she has but assumes they are XY. She also has an interesting dress with space rockets on.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/13/left-wing-politician-draws-hilarious-reaction-from-colleague-scotland-floor-debate/

Joanna Cherry’s reaction was epic.

An epic reaction to epic stupidity.

Igneococcus · 20/11/2023 07:10

I'm glad I'm not the only one who spent too much time looking into the technical side of "water" cremations.

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GoatsareGOAT · 20/11/2023 01:31

RealFeminist · 19/11/2023 22:33

ITS IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT BODY DISPOSAL

Anyone in particular 👀

(is it just me that thinks they've blathered on & on in that consultation in an attempt to distract the reader's brain from the obvious "serial killer" vibe ?!!)

IcakethereforeIam · 19/11/2023 23:24

Brilliant!😁

She'll have had her 'T'

Waitwhat23 · 19/11/2023 22:43

Needmoresleep · 19/11/2023 22:33

Kirsty Blackman MP for Aberdeen perhaps? Who does not know what chromosomes she has but assumes they are XY. She also has an interesting dress with space rockets on.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/13/left-wing-politician-draws-hilarious-reaction-from-colleague-scotland-floor-debate/

Joanna Cherry’s reaction was epic.

That reaction inspired my poem!

XY or XX?
Blackman can't tell which one is her sex,
A person who has birthed two humans,
Is so indisputably a woman,
The UofA must be shaking their heads,
Rejoicing she went into politics instead.
A nation previously known for its' intellectual ken,
'You'll have had your Enlightenment then?'

RealFeminist · 19/11/2023 22:33

ITS IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT BODY DISPOSAL

Needmoresleep · 19/11/2023 22:33

CatonmyKeyboard · 17/11/2023 17:00

I can imagine that someone who is so nonbinary that they can't work out whether they do the sperm or egg bit of 'making a baby' might need some help with the process.

But nobody really thinks that, do they? They just think their sex is irrelevant to their sexual reproduction. Or something.

Kirsty Blackman MP for Aberdeen perhaps? Who does not know what chromosomes she has but assumes they are XY. She also has an interesting dress with space rockets on.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/13/left-wing-politician-draws-hilarious-reaction-from-colleague-scotland-floor-debate/

Joanna Cherry’s reaction was epic.

‘No Clue What My Chromosomes Are’: Lefty Politician Draws Hilarious Reaction From Colleague During Floor Debate

Scottish Parliament Member Kirsty Blackman said during debate on the Equality Act 2010 that she had "no clue" what her chromosomes were.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/13/left-wing-politician-draws-hilarious-reaction-from-colleague-scotland-floor-debate/

agent765 · 19/11/2023 22:20

GoatsareGOAT · 17/11/2023 22:05

🎯🎯🎯

to be fair we have a health secretary who doesn't have the brains to use WiFi to watch the football so we can't go expecting tricky stuff now can we🙄

Yet manages to be deceitful enough to try to claim the money back from taxpayers.

They're as bad as the Welsh lot. Both governments are racing to be the first/best at the crappiest policies.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 21:58

Winnading · 19/11/2023 21:51

I'm tempted to look at some other consultations over Christmas while I'm off.
I may report back with the absolute batshit they've produce this year.

All that process to get partially rid of a dead body and I can only imagine maybe 5 people in Scotland even want to do this. How many MSPs, how much time, how many meetings. It defies belief.

I mean… I’m not adverse to a more ecologically sound method of disposing if my own body in the future.

But, I do think the government should be able to distil the key points of their proposed policy for me in a way that is easy to understand. I’d like to have, for example, some sense that it might actually be more ecological or otherwise better.

I don’t want an overlong and clear as mud ministerial foreward. Ever. On anything.

Even more so because I know that the bloody minister will have insisted that the policy civil servants distilled everything into easy to understand bullet points of key information for them at every single point in the process. Yet the public get dense text that never gets to the point.

Winnading · 19/11/2023 21:51

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 21:47

Gods sake, wish I'd never looked and after all this process, you could have been bloody cremated quicker, with less carbon emissions.

Haha.

and yes… it would help if they could just concisely summarise the key points so people could determine if it’s something they might have a view on.

But no. You had to check info from other governments to figure out what the fuck the Scottish government might even be proposing.

All these consultations. I assume the same standards of incomprehensibility applied to them all.

I'm tempted to look at some other consultations over Christmas while I'm off.
I may report back with the absolute batshit they've produce this year.

All that process to get partially rid of a dead body and I can only imagine maybe 5 people in Scotland even want to do this. How many MSPs, how much time, how many meetings. It defies belief.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/11/2023 21:48

Thank you, you've just reminded me to check on the stock I'm making.

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 21:47

Gods sake, wish I'd never looked and after all this process, you could have been bloody cremated quicker, with less carbon emissions.

Haha.

and yes… it would help if they could just concisely summarise the key points so people could determine if it’s something they might have a view on.

But no. You had to check info from other governments to figure out what the fuck the Scottish government might even be proposing.

All these consultations. I assume the same standards of incomprehensibility applied to them all.

Winnading · 19/11/2023 21:41

I dont think this matter is urgent enough to have a gert big meeting about

Availability of alkaline hydrolysis in other countries65. According to the Cremation Association of North America, there are active practitioners of alkaline hydrolysis in 15 states of the United States of America, and 5 provinces of Canada (where the National Collaborating Centre for Environmental Health published a report on alkaline hydrolysis in April 2023), while another 8 US states have legalised the process.
66. The Dutch Government commissioned the Health Council of the Netherlands to assess the admissibility of new techniques of body disposal, including alkaline hydrolysis. They found that that alkaline hydrolysis compares favourably to burial and cremation with respect to sustainability and complies in principle with their three tests for assessing new techniques of disposing of the deceased: safety, dignity and sustainability.
67. The review included both qualitative and quantitative market research and environmental comparisons with flame cremation and burial. However, the Council also noted that the technical specifications of alkaline hydrolysis would have to be further examined before it could potentially be authorised for public use.
68. We understand that alkaline hydrolysis is also available in different areas in Australia, Mexico and South Africa.

Winnading · 19/11/2023 21:39

Gods sake, wish I'd never looked and after all this process, you could have been bloody cremated quicker, with less carbon emissions.

What is alkaline hydrolysis?8. Alkaline hydrolysis is a method of disposal of human remains using hot water with the addition of potassium hydroxide, or sodium hydroxide, or a mix of both. The body is wrapped in a silk or woollen shroud, or other biodegradable material, before being placed into a pressurised chamber and heated to up to 150 °C. The Cremation Association of North America report that the body rapidly reduces to bones, any medical implants and sterile DNA-free liquid. The report by The Health Council of the Netherlands sets out the alkaline hydrolysis process:
“Alkaline hydrolysis is a chemical process in which the body of a deceased individual is first placed in a steel pressure vessel. Once the vessel has been closed, water and potassium hydroxide are added. The vessel is then pressurised and the water is heated. The maximum temperature varies from about 100 to 150 degrees Celsius, depending on the type of system being used, and the pressure. The combined action of heat, water, and potassium hydroxide, causes the body’s organic substances to dissolve in the liquid. This fully automated process takes two to ten hours, depending on the temperature and on the weight of the body to be processed. In addition to heating the liquid, a complete cycle involves various cooling and rinsing steps.
There are three types of residual material:

  • The bones. These are dried and ground into a white powder, which consists largely of calcium. As with cremation ashes, this powder can be given to the next of kin.
  • Any prostheses, fillings, and medical devices. These can be collected and disposed of.
  • The liquid used during hydrolysis. This effluent, which has a volume of approximately 1,500 litres, consists of water, potassium hydroxide, and the dissolved organic substances (sugars, amino acids, salts, and fatty acids). The effluent has a high pH, and contains no DNA or RNA. The pH is reduced to less than 10 by adding sulphuric acid.” (page 18)
  1. After the process is complete and the bones and any implants removed, the remaining liquid is cooled before being moved to a treatment tank. The liquid produced as a result of alkaline hydrolysis is slightly alkaline (around 9 – 10.5 on the pH scale). It includes compounds such as sugars, amino acids and fatty acids, nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium hydroxide. It contains no genetic material (RNA or DNA). Addition of acid may be required to make the liquid less alkaline (reduce the pH) before disposal.
10. The bones left at the end are soft and porous and are ground into a powder, also referred to as “ash”. This secondary process is the same as is used during cremation, although the ash is a lighter colour. The “ashes” can then be returned directly to the family of the deceased, collected by the funeral director on behalf of the family, or otherwise disposed of in a way agreed with the alkaline hydrolysis provider. Medical implants, such as pacemakers or metal implants can be recovered and recycled, as happens with cremation. 11. Once the bones and any implants are removed, the remaining liquid (which is made up of a variety of organic and inorganic materials) would need to be disposed of by the operator. One option is for the liquid to be disposed of by being released to drain as happens following the embalming process (subject to consent from Scottish Water). Supporters of alkaline hydrolysis have suggested that the liquid can also be considered for alternative, sustainable disposal options including use in a green space or a garden of remembrance (subject to consents from relevant authorities). (Question 2) 12. The Netherlands report gives some alternative examples of how the remaining liquid might be dealt with. These are methods which may become available in Scotland, subject to the outcomes of the consultation and further development of the next steps. “there may be alternatives to discharging the effluent into the sewer system. For example, the effluent can be treated locally, immediately after completion of the alkaline hydrolysis process. When using a purification method that preserves nutrients (such as anaerobic purification), the locally purified effluent can be used to fertilise fields, commercial forests, or places of remembrance, for example. Depending on the wishes of the next of kin and the facilities available at the funeral company, some of the processed effluent could be given to the next of kin. Another option would be to use the effluent directly (i.e. without first treating it) as a fertiliser. A third processing method is to transport the effluent by road tanker to a sludge digester, where it would be used to produce biogas.” (page 18) 13. Any organisation proposing to offer alkaline hydrolysis will need to detail in their planning application to the local authority how they intend to dispose of the liquid and demonstrate that they have obtained the relevant consents from Scottish Water or SEPA.

Admissibility of new techniques of disposing of the dead

In accordance with Dutch law, a body of a deceased person can be buried, cremated or donated to science. New techniques are being developed, like alkaline hydrolysis and composting. At the request of the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations,...

https://www.healthcouncil.nl/documents/advisory-reports/2020/05/25/admissibility-of-new-techniques-of-disposing-of-the-dead

RealFeminist · 19/11/2023 19:23

'“This is an utterly insensitive and inappropriate thing for an elected representative to say,” she said. “It lays bare the Tories’ complete failure to grasp the fact that binary gender identities are restrictive and fail to capture the full, beautiful diversity of humanity.
“It is also a gross insult to all who have faced prejudice, discrimination, hate or worse because they do not conform to the small, narrow-minded view of gender that have become too prevalent in our politics.'

YOU TELL EM MAGGIE

UnremarkableBeasts · 19/11/2023 19:21

Sigh.

Actually Maggie, from here it looks very much like you and your cronies stoking up a culture war to make yourselves feel virtuous and then getting angry at any opponents who point out that it’s not worth parliament spending time on this stuff.

It is ridiculous that the Scottish parliament is writing strategies that pretend that people who don’t embrace gender stereotypes as universal laws of nature are somehow unusual, or that they are discriminated against in any meaningful way.

There are loads of groups whose daily lives are marked by discrimination in Scotland. But the greens don’t really care about boring stuff like age discrimination (well, so long as it applies to old people) or disability discrimination. No. Let’s be outraged about how non-binary identities simply aren’t being taken seriously enough.

Boredanddejected · 18/11/2023 13:35

Hang on! If being trans/non binary isn’t a mental health condition, why do trans/non binary people need mental health services more than people who actually have mental health conditions?

UnremarkableBeasts · 18/11/2023 12:14

SaffronSpice · 18/11/2023 12:13

Because the purpose of consultations is to tick a box whilst obscuring their true intent.

I think the aim is to make sure no one participates. Except the 5 organisations they want to.

Its policy-based evidence generation.