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Girl Guides and Trans Awareness Week

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ScoldsBridle · 16/11/2023 23:58

Pinning their contradictory, conflicting opinions to their mast. Who on earth do they think they’re appealing to? ‘Girl-only’ surely can’t include boys?

Girl Guides and Trans Awareness Week
Girl Guides and Trans Awareness Week
Girl Guides and Trans Awareness Week
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PermanentTemporary · 17/11/2023 07:00

It sounds like they have progressed in a good direction, as there was a time they suggested that girls identifying as boys should be asked to leave. I absolutely think that those children should be able to attend Guides and I'm glad they seem to think so too.

They're one organisation and not compulsory. I would still hate to be a leader and having to navigate this, but if I were a parent of a girl I'd certainly still consider Guides, I'd just be fairly bolshy about overnight accommodation arrangements. I bet most leaders take a rational view that the sexes should be separate.

EdgeOfACoin · 17/11/2023 06:51

It's inconsistent to admit transboys (i.e female-bodied children identifying as boys) in addition to transgirls (male-bodied children identifying as girls).

Either the word 'girl' refers to biological sex, in which case transboys should be admitted but transgirls not, or it refers to some innate sense of 'girly' essence which is shared by all girls and transgirls but is not shared by transboys. I fail to see how an 'all girls' group can admit both transboys and transgirls while still claiming to be solely for girls.

At some point, as the craziness continues, there will be grown men pushing to join these groups on the basis that they are 'transage'. I wonder how GG would react to the likes of Stefonknee Wolscht trying to join their organization as a child?

You'd think that at some point people would say 'no, a person with the body of a 50-year-old male cannot join a group for girls aged 10-14', but I never thought in my wildest dreams that women's sports would fall prey to this ideology - and yet it has. Once you start to deny biological reality in respect of sex, why not in respect of age?

NitroNine · 17/11/2023 04:05

Absolutely revolting they’re trying to claim young members have asked for &/or consented to this. They’ve consistently been told girls want & value “a safe girl-only space”. They mean the female kind of girl tyvm Girlguiding. (Who are breaking their own Code of Conduct for Adult Members with their blatant lies/dissembling, btw 🤨)

Girlguiding very clearly intend people to infer that the Girls’ Attitudes Survey is a poll of the opinions of young members - lots of people assume it must be the case. No. Instead Girlguiding ask completely random girls & young women their views. Because reasons. Even if, however, it was 82% of Girlguiding’s young members aged 11-21 who had said they believe people should not be discriminated against because they are transgender - & 82% of a decent sample size, not the tiny one of the GAS - that’s not the same as saying they’re happy for Girlguiding to become a mixed sex organisation.

Have Girlguiding been putting in the work to stop being grotesquely ableist, classist, racist, & revelling in religious discrimination of assorted flavours? Of course not. Why do that when you’ve issued a non-apology & said “it’s all better now it’s in the past” & there are male interests to pander to 🤦‍♀️

ScoldsBridle · 17/11/2023 03:25

I’ve known they’ve been on this track for some years (from threads on here) but I was still staggered by this blatant advertising of the fact. It’s loud and proud whereas i felt it had been buried in the small print before. Obviously all those leaders that have had to leave or have been asked to leave will be thinking ‘we’ve been telling you this’ - I’m just still aghast that they have written it down for all to see in all its non-sensical glory.

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TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 17/11/2023 00:40

Oh ffs.

StopRainingOrElse · 17/11/2023 00:36

So much for protecting and providing a safe space for girls and young women.

SageRosemary · 17/11/2023 00:32

Child safeguarding red flags all over that.

Royal Charter, eh, Prince A?

mb2512cat · 17/11/2023 00:17

Are you a member? They’ve had Male Self ID for quite some time now and expelled members who expressed concerns.

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