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Another BBC one <facepalm>

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NitroNine · 16/11/2023 09:18

LGBTQ+ people 'feel threatened on London public transport' - naturally including the infamous conflation of “hate crimes” & “non-crime hate incidents” so readers can be Shocked & Dismayed by their dizzying rise & how such a small minority experience so much hate.

No comparative data provided, naturally, on the feelings/experiences of any other group.

Absolutely even now, even in London, same-sex couples have to be more cautious about PDAs (even holding hands, I mean) than opposite-sex couples. I don’t mean to dismiss that. The dreadful assault on a lesbian couple on a bus a few years ago must have (understandably) heightened anxiety. (Of course, some of the TQ+ have shown they have far less to fear 🤨)

It’s boggling the BBC continue to try to push the “most vulnerable” narrative (because we know who this story is really about) - & frankly insulting they considered this news. I demand a waterskiing budgie! There are probably more users of the London Transport Network who’ve felt threatened than not; & anyone brought up in London learns as a literal child [to try] not to draw attention. Some of us don’t have the luxury of opting out of what gets us targeted: visible disability aids; skin colour; & even, I’d argue, religious dress. Pronoun pins aren’t a requirement of being trans, but in many religious orders no “mufti” is owned other than nightwear. There is also a substantial difference between “a super-special version of a name badge” & part of how someone connects to God, expresses their faith, feels comfortable in themselves & around others, & in some cases carries out an explicit religious obligation.

The constant stream of stories like this is the news equivalent of EDI training that forgets about all the protected characteristics but one. Obviously I have sympathy for anyone who’s been assaulted on public transport (or anywhere else!) but this feeling of threat isn’t news & is, at least in part, manufactured. If you’re told everyone hates you & you’re about to be genocided, you will be fearful; you will feel threatened. Arguably it’s actively irresponsible of the BBC to further stoke those fears; especially with the warped stats.

Time to complain again?

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LGBTQ+ people 'feel threatened on London public transport'

A survey says the community in London faces regular abuse as one passenger tells his story.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67429132

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aname1234 · 16/11/2023 10:47

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 10:23

I was on the overground earlier this year and a man got on dressed in a very feminine way, feminine haircut, makeup etc. Not in an overblown sterotype way, he was very fashionably dressed to be honest. I thought he looked great.

Not a clue how he identified. He didn't bother anyone, just sat there.

Immediately he was the subject of points, laughs, jeers from a couple of much bigger men on the other side of the carriage.

I can well understand how anyone who is gender non-comforming (trans or not) would be wary of using public transport.

We both got off at the next station and I wish I'd said something to him at the time, I still feel bad I didn't.

Don't quite get this. I'm gender non-conforming, but wary of using public transport because I'm a woman, not because of how I look.

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 10:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2023 10:26

Have you never suffered harassment from men on public transport, Flickers? It's not nice, no. But it certainly isn't limited to males presenting in a feminine way.

Harrassment because you're a woman is no better or worse than harrassment because you're gay, lesbian, trans, or otherwise gender non-comforming.

I don't think we can say homophobia and transphobia aren't worth bothering with because women still suffer harrassment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/11/2023 10:26

Have you never suffered harassment from men on public transport, Flickers? It's not nice, no. But it certainly isn't limited to males presenting in a feminine way.

Flickersy · 16/11/2023 10:23

I was on the overground earlier this year and a man got on dressed in a very feminine way, feminine haircut, makeup etc. Not in an overblown sterotype way, he was very fashionably dressed to be honest. I thought he looked great.

Not a clue how he identified. He didn't bother anyone, just sat there.

Immediately he was the subject of points, laughs, jeers from a couple of much bigger men on the other side of the carriage.

I can well understand how anyone who is gender non-comforming (trans or not) would be wary of using public transport.

We both got off at the next station and I wish I'd said something to him at the time, I still feel bad I didn't.

RavingStone · 16/11/2023 10:16

I was just reading this too. It made me think of the rise in homophobic attacks around Clapham where the person in the story was punched. Genuine transphobia looks exactly like homophobia. It makes me so confused as to why so many who purport to be or support LGBTQ people spend so much energy opposing feminist meetings. Feminists have no connection to the people attacking gay people on the streets of south London.

The article I read before detailed the attempted murder of a woman by a man. It explicitly said that the man chose the victim partly because of his feelings about women. This, of course, wasn't a hate crime. Just the natural order of things.

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