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Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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Hurroo · 20/11/2023 18:04

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I really hope this world is real, because if I'm imagining it, I need to hand my badge in right now and stop.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 20/11/2023 18:03

Take away the words woman and she.

Group A have biologically female bodies.

Group B have an inner sense of something.

Some people are in both groups. Some are only in one. Some are in neither.

I'm not going to argue which Group should be allowed to call themselves Woman or She.

I AM going to argue that "women's sports", and spaces, and protections, and opportunities, and rights were set up when women meant Group A and were therefore intended for Group A.

Claiming that membership of Group B should confer a right to any of these things simply because Group B has politicked to redefine the words that previously applied to group A without making any case as to why groups A and B should be interchangeable other than a shared name is logically incoherent and morally reprehensible.

toomanykittensnow · 20/11/2023 18:00

Curious to know how many born female transgender people want to compete against born men?

DuesToTheDirt · 20/11/2023 17:55

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:07

First of all, it’s transphobic to call “man” a trans woman. She doesn’t “say”, she is a woman. Maybe not a born-woman, but still is.

This says it all really, in the trans "be kind" debate.

Women - don't want men/transwomen to punch them, rape them, attack them, flash at them.

Transwomen and trans apologists - agonising over the cruelty of misgendering. Hmm

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 17:52

NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:51

I don't know if the world is real.

But I know that men are not women. No matter how hard they bleat about it.

Quite.

NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:51

I don't know if the world is real.

But I know that men are not women. No matter how hard they bleat about it.

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 17:50

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WickedSerious · 20/11/2023 17:49

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:23

How do you know that you you’re a human? How do you know this world is real?

This is some deep shit man.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/11/2023 17:47

The universe is transphobic - it is not possible for a mammal to change sex.

ArcaneWireless · 20/11/2023 17:47

Ignoring all knowledge and truth?

Some are certainly doing that but it isn’t the women here.

The problem isn’t that this individual is being called ‘him’.

The big problem we are discussing here is that this individual is upset because this individual is being denied the chance to batter a woman legally.

This individual may have been born male but I would be reluctant to even call them a man because a decent man would be horrified at the thought.

I don’t know what that then makes this individual but it still doesn’t make a man a woman just because they say so.

WickedSerious · 20/11/2023 17:46

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:14

I’m not talking about the actual fight, I’m talking about everything around it. Everyone here insists on calling her as him and male. This is transphobia. Everything else is debatable.

That's because he is male.

shakes fist in general direction of reality

NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:46

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:38

Do you realise that angry zealots shouting ‘transphobe’ at us simply isn’t something we care about?

And this too.

NovemberAutumn · 20/11/2023 17:46

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2023 17:16

men are not women. I will not be compelled to lie and say that they are

This. This and this again.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2023 17:42

its Rather sweet that there are people who still think saying “that’s transphobic !!!” has any effect whatsoever

everything is transphobic 🤷🏻‍♀️

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:41

That’s literally the first result on Google scholar.

There’s so much evidence that biology matters.

GreekDogRescue · 20/11/2023 17:40

But these female athletes have sacrificed so much to become elite sportswomen. I hate that they have to withdraw to pander to these men when it may be their own source of income

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:38

Do you realise that angry zealots shouting ‘transphobe’ at us simply isn’t something we care about?

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 20/11/2023 17:38

A title well earned

It's practically a badge of honour these days, tbh.

UnremarkableBeasts · 20/11/2023 17:37

And let’s all not that the linked to paper that no one is allowed to do anything other than bow down deferentially is from 2017.

It’s a review of 8 whole studies. All about how transgender people feel about participating in sport. And also
some policies.

It doesn’t even support the conclusion our little transactivist friend claims it does.

CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:36

You are utterly trivialising transphobia as a term by including 'knowing what sex someone is'.

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:36

“Really tedious ones, with long words and definitions of them (and statistics and literature reviews and all that guff). How about you?”

And You still can’t get a single paper. Impressive.

Paola11 · 20/11/2023 17:35

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CatonmyKeyboard · 20/11/2023 17:34

god know what kind of papers you published!

Really tedious ones, with long words and definitions of them (and statistics and literature reviews and all that guff). How about you?