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Female boxer withdraws from fight with transwoman

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ArthurbellaScott · 15/11/2023 14:27

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter/

'The Quebec Boxing Federation was reportedly aware of Walmsley’s biological sex, but justified the fight by stating they had chosen an appropriate referee for the match. Ultimately, Bissonnette says her decision to withdraw came down to safety.'

'Following Bissonnette’s withdrawal, Walmsley issued a statement to the press accusing her of “outing” him and warning that similar actions would have a negative impact on female athletes.'

CANADA: Female Boxer Withdraws From Competition After Being Matched Against Male Fighter - Reduxx

A female boxer withdrew from a provincial championship in Quebec after learning that her opponent was biologically male, leading to him winning the competition by default. Dr. Katia Bissonnette of Saguenay says she was matched against transgender fight...

https://reduxx.info/canada-female-boxer-withdraws-from-competition-after-being-matched-against-male-fighter

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WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 23/11/2023 09:10

Why do we still engage with these insincere idiots when they come along to have a badly-written and ill-informed pop for their own amusement? 🙄

WickedSerious · 22/11/2023 20:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2023 11:53

I've had to dim the lights and lie down with a small vase of pineapple gin.

Pineapple gin sounds amazing, where is it from? <misses point>

It's Whitley Neill,one of my five a day.

SinnerBoy · 22/11/2023 16:49

WickedSerious · Today 11:27

It makes a tiny bit more sense if you translate 'follow the science' as 'because I said so'.

Well, yes. Or that they did, got lost at the first turn and then played make believe.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/11/2023 11:53

I've had to dim the lights and lie down with a small vase of pineapple gin.

Pineapple gin sounds amazing, where is it from? <misses point>

WickedSerious · 22/11/2023 11:27

It makes a tiny bit more sense if you translate 'follow the science' as 'because I said so'.

Only a very tiny bit mind.

SinnerBoy · 22/11/2023 10:01

UnremarkableBeasts · Yesterday 18:19

Which makes the person shouting ‘you evil transphobes: there’s no evidence that being male is an advantage in sport’ look extremely silly.

Yes, as it's becoming more and more evident and more and more widely known, the TRA side have realised that there is nothing factual to support their position. It's not really a position at all, just a "point," of sorts, which cannot be supported by logical argument.

Ranting "Bigot! Transphobe!" and "Follow the science!" is all they have left, aside from conceding. I'm thinking of the mother of cyclist Bridges, who shouted "follow the science!" on that interview, a few months ago. It's barmy, because that's exactly what GC people have been doing, whereas the TRA side are just making it up, hoping that most people won't realise.

WickedSerious · 22/11/2023 09:39

ArthurbellaScott · 22/11/2023 09:22

PBP, eh? Gosh, I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

I've had to dim the lights and lie down with a small vase of pineapple gin.

Waitwhat23 · 22/11/2023 09:29

Truly.

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ArthurbellaScott · 22/11/2023 09:22

PBP, eh? Gosh, I'm surprised. Is everyone else surprised?

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Don't forget you mustn't eat anything after midnight.

ArthurbellaScott · 22/11/2023 07:58

Yes, a wee bit transparent there, Mary.

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Froodwithatowel · 22/11/2023 07:54

Someone hunting screenshots here I see.

CatonmyKeyboard · 22/11/2023 07:50

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Knock it off, Mary. That's not what most people are saying at all

Waitwhat23 · 22/11/2023 00:42

Ah, I think you may have overplayed your hand there Paola. Feeling a bit sore?

MarywithoutheLamb · 21/11/2023 23:59

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Froodwithatowel · 21/11/2023 18:23

You thought mums would have more love and understanding?

Yes hon.

This mum is lovingly and understandingly saying that women must NOT be battered by men in the name of indulging very unreasonable identities.

Did you think I'd be all "awww bless, you go and smash her skull if you want to sweetheart" to a man?

Seriously?

That's what you think Mums are all about?

As a mum, I'm also wondering what this man is thinking. What is in this for him? Why is the risk to women nothing to him compared to his need to go in the ring as a woman, and to fight a woman? I have to wonder if there's some kind of buzz for him in trying to make people validate and pretend for him even when it means sacrificing women to him to hurt. To prove how very much more he matters than women do.

Actual motherly love involves boundaries, saying no, weathering the tantrums and caring about the long term. Love is tough, it isn't all mushy and sentimental and indulgent. Or enabling. And frankly I'd raise a son of mine to be less harmfully selfish than this, with a capacity to see women as people, not things for his use.

UnremarkableBeasts · 21/11/2023 18:19

The first line in the abstract of the first paper that comes up in google
scholar is “Males enjoy physical performance advantages over females within competitive sport.”

Which makes the person shouting ‘you evil transphobes: there’s no evidence that being male is an advantage in sport’ look extremely silly.

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My point was more that finding evidence that sex matters in sport is that easy that you can go with the first result in google scholar. You don’t even need any actual skills to find papers that demonstrate that our little TRA is shouting loudly but doesn’t know what s/he is talking about.

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TrashedSofa · 21/11/2023 15:20

SavBlancTonight · 21/11/2023 15:05

@Helleofabore I didn't know that about the bat, ball or boundaries. But yes, that just compounds what seems instinctive to me.

It's insane.

The only plus side, is I think sport is where a lot of "normal" people get peaked. My theory is that it's because most of us think that trans people (let's be honest here, trans women) are the ones we've seen occasionally in movies and tv - you know, could absolutely pass, have spent years seeking mental health support, suffered shame and fear, wanted (and possibly received) surgery etc... So all the "TERFS" are just really mean. Then they see the prevalence of what's happening in sport and suddenly they go, "WTAF????" and bang, they're peaked.

<silver lining> <sigh>

There's that, but also I think it's easier for a lot of people to talk about men being stronger than women than it is about the risk males pose to females as a class. Anyone with even the remotest NAMALT leanings is liable to do much better with the sports than the Schrodingers rapist point, for example. As is anyone who just buries their head in the sand.

Helleofabore · 21/11/2023 15:17

I hear you sav.

The stream of supposed feminism that states that women are equal in every way is delusional. I have seen MRA types on Mumsnet though that have tried the 'this is what you all wanted suck it up' in their complete misunderstanding of equality discussions as well.

And there is also enough evidence building that even at 6 years old the average boy has advantages over the average girl. There will always be exceptional girls that will stand out, such as the girl in your son's team, but they are exceptional girls. However, on Mumsnet there are even posters who will ignore that these are exceptional girls and declare that boys do not have any physical advantage and that the studies are nonsense.