Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes

I think it's high time WH revisited transwidows again actually.

Ok I do see you point of view. As a great deal of more important stories discussed here have been ignored by WH. Especially rape crisis Scotland, though I doubt anyone from them would agree to go on.

However, at the same time, it's very much got under the skin of many of us.

And it was in the news and all over feminist twitter, and maybe it was seen as an opportunity to offer balance for Caster?

And the outcome has offered up certain views that Emma gave as challenge that are otherwise rarely aired on bbc radio. And the challenge she gave offered up weak arguments as Bindel has said, along the lines of #lettranswomenspeak.

Women I know who don't have time to get as immersed in all this do listen to WH and Sharon's interview certainly opened up the opportunity to discuss it all with a GP friend. She had no idea who Sharon was being a young 30 something, but it riled her and it was clearly something she was keen to discuss.

And I will be able to mention this interview. And she's a GP (- who says no one at the practice wants to touch gender care training with a barge pole incidentally.)

I saw it as 'sports casting' for the masses.

It's worth a listen to that 2018 clip, I just listened again. To Sally Hines' credit, she did actually debate with Kathleen. However there isn't much else to credit her for, it's particularly telling that at the end she just falls back on the TWAW mantra (when she's already been able to say her piece, so is trying to talk over Kathleen when she is speaking)

So Kathleen has been on twice, that I can remember.

Blimey. Just listened to this properly. Those people are nuts.

There was also this interview from a series in 2018 where they put a prominent GC person up against a TRA. Most of the TRAs refused to do it head to head and prerecorded their interviews.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06s7kqf

Sex and gender: Why are these words so controversial?
What do these words mean and why are they controversial? Jane hears from Sally Hines, Professor of Sociology and Gender Identities, University of Leeds and Kathleen Stock, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Sussex.
Release date:
19 November 2018

Royal, Stock has been on woman's hour, certainly. I'm sure Julie has been in the past, though perhaps not about this particular issue.

I believe you are allowed to be on more than once! I could listen to Kathleen Stock until the cows come home.

Perhaps I'm not doing a very good job of explaining why I find this so exasperating. It's mostly that I think it's a non-story. If Steph had been appointed CEO of Endometriosis UK, then that would have been a story - and fine to invite Steph on the programme, along with the trustees who made the appointment. But who cares, really, that an utterly insignificant local charity has made a silly appointment? As far as I can tell, the charity consists of one person who has a bee in her bonnet about trans issues and so asked one of her chums to be "CEO" - a grandiose title for a non-job. It's not worthy of the attention of Woman's Hour or Emma Barnett's skill as an interviewer.

Meanwhile, intelligent, expert women who have something interesting to say are sidelined.

So funny. Why do you want this role? I'm an activist and care about the prison issue. Right, so you don't actually care.

rather than chairing an interview - with someone on an opposing side such as Bindel.

Yes the lack of smarts and qualities for being a CEO really shone through for me. I'm astounded that woman has managed to pull a PhD together and get funding. perhaps she hasn't and is self funding and thats what this grift is about ...

HOW can you be doing a PhD on endometriosis and claim that's it's not a and shouldn't be viewed as a gynecological condition. Mind boggling.

@RoyalCorgi Sorry I see you specifically say about this appointment.

One thing I've considered is that if it's news I think the interviewer is able to take a different stance which is one of giving the opposing view through the interview rather than chairing an interview.

And actually, I also think Emma was that person as an endo sufferer as well as the journalist interviewing and challenging.

In other situations she's grilled people such as MPs who are for women only, and the women grilled have stood up to the pressure extremely well and given good answers.

Here, the answers were obviously silly and unfounded. She caught them out a few times. It did not stand up to scrutiny.

It's also unlikely Steph would have come on if in opposition to Bindel, Stock or Joyce.

They're the sort of 'feminists' who are still in denial that there are any differences between men and women; between the sexes, and resent that being a 'woman' has certain sterotypical implications. Ironic in that they are now supporting men to perform these stereotypical representations, to the cost of other women.

Royal, Stock has been on woman's hour, certainly. I'm sure Julie has been in the past, though perhaps not about this particular issue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0b3ch0k

Kathleen Stock: ‘It’s like a terrible dream to see your name plastered over every wall’

In her first interview since resigning, Kathleen Stock talks to Emma Barnett about her experiences at the University of Sussex, including weeks of protest on campus by students who objected to her ‘gender critical’ views, and called for her removal.

In her book, Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism, Stock argues that it isn’t possible for people to change their biological sex, and that someone’s sex should sometimes take precedence over their gender identity.

The University said they would not sack Stock, and ‘vigorously and unequivocally’ defended her right to academic freedom and lawful freedom of speech, free from bullying and harassment.

She describes what her last trip to campus was like in an exclusive interview with Woman's Hour and Newsnight.

It's Helen Joyce who's been apparently black listed, (according to her via people at the bbc who've told her) which I agree is absolutely not on.

Thank you!

I don't know - it's possible that Wadhwa wouldn't agree to be interviewed. But all the more reason, in that case, to have someone like Helen Joyce/Kathleen Stock/Julie Bindel or any other of a number of brilliant women come on the show to talk about why it's a bad appointment.

That's what I, a longstanding R4 listener, want from Woman's Hour. I want passionate, knowledgeable, articulate women talking about their area of expertise. What I don't want is to have to listen to two nonentities who know jack shit about fuck all parading their ignorance.

Much as I am 100% behind questioning the erasure of the word "woman", my only complaint about the interview is that EB spent too much time on that issue and it wasn't properly landing. Where she really scored hits was when she asked incredulously about whether we have to "rebrand" the disease as not being about women in order to get funding. there was SOOOO much there she could have gone down on that path. Similarly, her incredulity that Steph was focusing on the 29 men who suffer from endometriosis rather than the millions of women. I kept wanting to get a calculator out to make a quick calculation of the percentage of sufferers who are male! .

One thing that really came through for me was that Steph appeared to be not very smart, quite uneducated and barely coherent. Jodie was marginally better but the hysteria in her voice talking about it not being gynaecological just had me rolling my eyes.

Real JKR vibes from Emma here. Love her for it!

I take RoyalCorgi's point about easy pickings.

I believe decisions about guests are often made by the show's producers and I'd take a punt on Emma Barnett only finding out about this one after the booking had been made, which would be another reason why she was so pissed off.

This must be a subject close to EB’s heart and I imagine she was keen to nip in the bud endometriosis being the latest vehicle for TRAs to advance trans at women’s expense. Also, her extensive experience of this debilitating disease and its effects must in practice give her some cover to interview a little more forthrightly than is normally apparently allowed.

But corgi, which male trans person would come on WH and discuss their fresh appointment? And at the time of Wadhwa’s appointment, wasn’t Jane being told she could not do an interview like that?

Actors protest that transpeople need to be portrayed by trans actors. When D&I discussions arise there's always emphasis on 'lived experience'.

But when there's a chance for a man to get a foot in something exclusively female, none of that matters.

Here @WarriorN

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8aabef92-8405-11ee-ab78-b8f8e234f1ae?shareToken=bf9add8244b4cd1e15b2bfcb22efe23c

I agree to some degree. They’re easy pickings in many ways. But it also speaks volumes as to the righteousness and narcissism of the Left and trans ideology. I imagine never once did either of these two think they were going to go on WH and do anything but correct the world’s transphobes. They would have been so utterly convinced they were going to show everyone how right they were. Worst of all, I imagine that even now, post-interview, they will be utterly convinced they’ve been victims of an egregious assault and will be wah-wahing on Twitter or in their own circles, with their friends telling them how awful they’ve been treated. There will be no contrition at all.

Are there bigger fish to fry? Absolutely. But it’s unpicking the entire ideology one stitch at a time, and slowly unravelling it like Dougal’s jumper.

Yes, I was listening to a WH episode a couple of weeks ago where she mentioned that she was in a lot of pain due to that.

She also wrote a book on periods.

Thanks for this WarriorN. I was able to read it by pasting the URL into an archive site. Good article although as a written summary of the interview it doesn't get across the incoherence of this pair or the tone Steph took with Emma. Or 'the voice'.